But even throwing in And1 caliber handles I think Iverson is without a doubt on that level. Also, a few of those guys did get a crack at the D-League.

This is odd, even for one of Dolphins dumb ass posts. A.I. averaged 41 minutes a game for his career, he was tough as hell and 27 ppg..he was an all time scorer, he took the biggest bunch of stiffs to the championship game I've ever seen.

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I pretty strongly disagree with your first sentence, and you're proving my point with your second sentence.

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This is odd, even for one of Dolphins dumb ass posts. A.I. averaged 41 minutes a game for his career, he was tough as hell and 27 ppg..he was an all time scorer, he took the biggest bunch of stiffs to the championship game I've ever seen.

I'm sorry, but Iverson's skill set was just a tad bit more varied than Shaq.

It's cool. You're wrong, but it's cool.

Take away his speed and the rest of his skills become pedestrian, just as they would if you took away Shaq's size.

I'll make an exception for QB. But you're fucking insane if you think Wes Welker is anywhere near the HOF, especially considering how stacked the waiting list is at WR. And guys like Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green, Manu Ginobli, and Rodman off the top of my head are very late round picks who were studs in the NBA. I also reject your premise that you are gonna find a ton of "absolute stud" undrafted RBs and OL. You're going to find almost none.

This is categorically wrong. There's a reason why guys like Dante Exum will never be great and LeAndro Barbosa was a role player while Iverson is an all time great.

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I'll admit to ignorance about Welker's candidacy or lack thereof. Pretty sure he was an all pro several times over. Unheard of for a guy off the street to do that in the NBA. Also a late round pick in the NFL is clearly not comparable to a late round pick in the NFL. Draymond Green was the 19th or 20th or whatever pick in the NBA while a stud 6th round draft pick in the NFL is like the 170th pick or whatever. I'll find you late round or undrafted non QB studs soon.

JaVale McGee's mom says Shaq 'is bullying men of color'

JaVale McGee and Shaquille O'Neal engaged in a profane Twitter conversation last week in which things became pretty heated. Speaking over the weekend to ESPN's The Undefeated, both men's mothers discussed their sons' roles but had different takeaways.

Shaq's mom told her son to stop, while McGee's mom defended her son. But that's not all McGee's mom said.

“If you really want to get technical with it, it’s bullying,” Pamela McGee said. “We all have little jokes and stuff. But when you continue to pick on just one person —as his career is resurrecting —there’s nothing to it but bullying. And it’s unacceptable. You can’t allow someone to continue to do this who represents TNT and the NBA. He is a representative of TNT and the NBA. Broadcasters are held to a higher authority. He should lose his job.

"... He is bullying men of color. When you bully men of color who play your same position … we as a society have to stop condoning ignorant behavior. And, yes, as African-Americans, we have always had individuals who will sell out their communities for two barrels of rum. This is straight-up black-on-black oppression.”

Pamela McGee had more to say in the story, but her message is clear: Shaq is a bully, and should be fired.

As for O'Neal, he says now that "Mama has spoken," he vows never to mention McGee's name again.

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It would be MUCH harder for an average Joe to make the NBA than the NFL.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Maybe, but if he's not a QB, kicker, or punter, he's going to be a shitload more athletic than the worst NBA player.

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Do you really think a guy like Kyle Korver is unathletic? And how are you defining "athletic"? There are 7-footers who you could argue aren't all that athletic, but they're 7 freaking foot. That's a pretty rare attribute to have.

Let's not get all JLN about this. Athletic is what we know it is. Size, speed, hand eye coordination, etc.

Kyle Korver is athletic compared to you and I. He is not whatsoever when compared to the average NFL player (again, that's not a QB, K, or P)

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Let's not get all JLN about this. Athletic is what we know it is. Size, speed, hand eye coordination, etc.

Kyle Korver is athletic compared to you and I. He is not whatsoever when compared to the average NFL player (again, that's not a QB, K, or P)

I think you're underestimating the impact of the athleticism of NBA players has on your perception of Korver's athleticism. He's not just athletic compared to us; if you saw him in a gym, he'd be crossing people over and absolutely dominating. Sure, he's primarily a spot shooter against some of the greatest athletes in the world, but he still doesn't have that job without athleticism. Guys like Steve Kerr would look like lightning outside an NBA setting.

Tons of non athletic players in the NFL. Are you serious? I already mentioned Welker. A lot of possession receivers aren't as athletic as average NBA players. Same goes for Ol and DL players.

Guys like Steve Kerr would look like lightning outside an NBA setting.

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There's no doubt. I know brothers from Evanston who think they're "ballers" and like to shoot a little hoop in between drinking forties and eating fast food. They make fun of guys like Kerr or Korver, but if either of those guys ever came out to Mason Park he'd be the best player on the court by so much it isn't even funny.

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@FF

You are out of your mind. There are kids in high school who are All-State and unbelievably athletic in person, and some of them won't even sniff Division 1. But Steve Kerr, multiple NBA champion, is just a slow white guy. Sure.

Absolutely. I - and I'm sure many others here - played against some great athletes in my youth... like mind-boggling to even see up close... and none of those guys went anywhere beyond being bad D1 players.

It's funny because I know that you know your argument is lacking when you go to such binary extremes even Rick would blush. I guess Kerr either has to be fast as lightning or a slow white guy, no in between

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It's funny because I know that you know your argument is lacking when you go to such binary extremes even Rick would blush. I guess Kerr either has to be fast as lightning or a slow white guy, no in between

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You do realize he had to guard guys like Gary Payton, Allen Iverson, and Steve Francis, right?