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what's one good thing Selig ever did?



Everything in the game grew under Selig, income, attendance, salaries. He's arguably the greatest commissioner in baseball history. To lay steroids at his feet when you had a players' union more powerful than he was is just ridiculous. He got as many concessions as he could.


The role of the commissioner has evolved in my lifetime from the third party keeper of the integrity of the game to the owner's agent in charge of the financial stability of the game.

Selig was fine if you look at it in that context.


Correct. The players have their own "commissioner" in the head of the Player's Union.


But there really is no guardian of the game any more and that ultimately damages baseball.


Perhaps to some degree, but it's better than having some psychopathic martinet like Kennesaw Mountain Landis acting as a dictator. Certainly the game is much healthier from the players' perspective.


The owners are in better shape. The players are in better shape. The game is in worse shape.

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The owners are in better shape. The players are in better shape. The game is in worse shape.


The fans must be pretty happy for the first two things to be possible. Why do you feel the game is in "worse shape"?

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Length of the game is a problem. It's the commercials and players taking there time. MLB just needs to be more creative than commercial breaks, which are becoming obsolete anyway. People were complaining constantly about the games being too long during the Cubs' run. People do not have attention spans anymore. That said, getting rid of a 4-ball intentional walk is just stupid. Tell the umpires to move the game along.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The owners are in better shape. The players are in better shape. The game is in worse shape.


The fans must be pretty happy for the first two things to be possible. Why do you feel the game is in "worse shape"?


Because people don't like Selig because he used to be an owner and he is Jerry's friend. Nothing more.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The owners are in better shape. The players are in better shape. The game is in worse shape.


The fans must be pretty happy for the first two things to be possible. Why do you feel the game is in "worse shape"?


Do the fans seem particularly happy to you? TV money has had more to do with the first two things being possible than fan approval.

I feel participation in baseball is dying in this country. It is becoming a game played by foreigners for the enjoyment of an aging group of nostalgic Americans.

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Ratings for 2016 World Series were the highest in 25 years.

Baseball is fine.

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Ratings for 2016 World Series were the highest in 25 years.

Baseball is fine.


You know why.

Which way are they trending?

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Ratings for 2016 World Series were the highest in 25 years.

Baseball is fine.


That's because of the Cubs being media darlings, and the Series going 7. Says nothing about the long-term health of the game.

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Ratings for 2016 World Series were the highest in 25 years.

Baseball is fine.


That's because of the Cubs being media darlings, and the Series going 7. Says nothing about the long-term health of the game.

2016

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The owners are in better shape. The players are in better shape. The game is in worse shape.


The fans must be pretty happy for the first two things to be possible. Why do you feel the game is in "worse shape"?


Because people don't like Selig because he used to be an owner and he is Jerry's friend. Nothing more.




Huh? Nobody gives a shit about him and Jerry.

Head in the sand while PEDs ruined the game.
Made the all star game determine home field.
Dragged his feet on replay.
Moved his team to the nl to greaten their chance at success.

Work stoppage under his watch.
There's plenty more, the guy is a piece of shit.

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Douchebag wrote:
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Ratings for 2016 World Series were the highest in 25 years.

Baseball is fine.


That's because of the Cubs being media darlings, and the Series going 7. Says nothing about the long-term health of the game.

2016


https://www.wsj.com/articles/baseball-a ... 1471534364

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Ratings for 2016 World Series were the highest in 25 years.

Baseball is fine.


That's because of the Cubs being media darlings, and the Series going 7. Says nothing about the long-term health of the game.

2016


https://www.wsj.com/articles/baseball-a ... 1471534364

That article was written pre-world series. We're living in a new era now.

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Butbutbut Hoffy says the Cubs don't get any national media attention!

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Head in the sand while PEDs ruined the game.


Not true. I've heard him speak at length on the subject, explaining how his hands were tied by the position of the Player's Association.

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Made the all star game determine home field.


Big fuckin' deal.

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Dragged his feet on replay.


Replay is terrible and should be eliminated.

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Moved his team to the nl to greaten their chance at success.


Wrong again. He accommodated Jerry Colanagelo who insisted on an NL team.

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Work stoppage under his watch.


He does have the lost World Series on his record, but Reinsdorf was the leader of the group of owners that made that happen. Selig made certain that never happened again.

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Rozner's stance hardly bothers me given how many of his colleagues proudly hold the inverse, celebrating Selig's legacy and induction while still getting on their soapboxes about roids when it comes to players.


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Any of you guys call Pace a genius? Rozner seems to think that fans are saying that.

"It doesn't help (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that Mike Glennon looked like a Cleveland cast-off in his first appearance as a Bears QB, and before Pace gets the genius label - again - it should be noted he's the one who handed Glennon $18 million of the McCaskey family fortune."

I have not heard or seen one person call Pace a genius. Frankly Pace sounds unconvincing in his press conferences. The jury is certainly out on him. It appears he has an eye for talent, well that's my early read based on the 2016 draft.

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I don't know, this board shit its pants with joy when the draft pick lit up some taxi-squad Broncos. That has to be at least a tacit endorsement of Pace.

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Plenty of strawmen in his latest Cubs piece. Even the title is insulting:

updated: 8/19/2017 6:23 PM


Rozner: Cubs not quite ready to fold franchise

Not every plate appearance necessitates a vote.

Not every baserunning decision, manager's call or defeat in the regular season must carry more weight than its individual moment.

Not even a single season, for that matter.

Perhaps it's a function of the current climate, or maybe it's the natural result of winning a World Series for the first time in 108 years -- and the inevitable downturn the following season.

But this has been the swirling water in the porcelain bowl for the 2017 Cubs, calls for impeachment and banishment, a desire to move on and find the quick fix.

Remarkable, really. Ungrateful might be the more apt description.

Theo Epstein has failed if the Cubs don't repeat, goes the skeptics' narrative, those already burned by Epstein who has delivered on every promise he's made since arriving in Chicago.

He said they would rebuild to the point of being competitive for many years, and the Cubs are securely nestled in a postseason window, expecting each year -- for many more -- to sniff the big trophy.

Sounds pleasant enough.

No, they are not the best team in baseball again, but they do have chance to win their division for the second straight year and make the playoffs for the third consecutive season.

Last time the Cubs reached the postseason three straight years? Well, that was 1908.

And, oh yeah, they did win that World Series thing last November. Remember that?

Epstein will probably keep his job.

There's no defending Joe Maddon's in-game managing decisions in the 2016 postseason. There's also no reason to. It was awful. The Cubs won in spite of him.

But Maddon remains one of the very best in the game and if there's 10 things a manager must do every day, Maddon is very good at seven or eight of them.

His bullpen decisions and lineup construction can be confounding at times, but that's also partially a result of poor player performance this season.

Maddon is the same guy who brought along the kids perfectly in 2015 and led them properly into the postseason a year ago.

The manager isn't going anywhere.

The player under the most fire is Kyle Schwarber, who has now played the equivalent of one full season in the big leagues and owns 36 home runs.

One season.

As ugly as it's been, it's a hair early to give up on the guy. The Cubs would not have won the World Series if Schwarber hadn't returned, but the conquering hero is now treated as though he crossed the Rubicon.

He should be traded, scream the classes. Of course, selling low on a talented bat is always a bright idea.

While it probably shouldn't be a surprise, the overreaction to everything that happens this season -- positive or negative -- is nevertheless baffling.

The Cubs may yet win the World Series this year, though it's easy to see at least six or seven teams playing better baseball, and no team since the 2000 Yankees has gone back-to-back.

And it's not like the Cubs walked through the postseason a year ago. They were three outs from a Game 5 match with Johnny Cueto, had to rally against the Dodgers and had to overcome a 3-1 deficit in the World Series, forced to win the next three and Game 7 in bonus time after blowing a big lead.

Have we forgotten already how hard this is?

The Cubs will have much work to do in the offseason, building an appropriate pitching staff for 2018, but win it all or not this year they will return with a team next season favored by many to win the big prize again.

That was the plan.

Have a chance to compete for a division title every season and then take your chances in the playoffs.

Oh, wait. That's actually happening this year.

Maybe everyone shouldn't be fired after all.

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Great article today

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Fuck Rozner. But at least he attributes the team's struggle to poor performances and not injuries.

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