That one game Jordan played in and got 2 hits.

1906.

You a big Cub fan? I have some tickets available for you. You can have any Cardinals game for 3X the Diamond Level face. Go Cubs!

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Nope. You won't find a bigger Cub or Cub-fan hater than me. Ambivalent about the White Sox. Just an unbiased outsider viewing the obvious that this city is only big enough for one team.

Try us. No, you're not.

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That's true enough. I stand corrected. I do loathe everything about the Cubs organization and it's fans and for the good of competitive baseball in general I've come to the conclusion that the White Sox should leave Chicago.

You hate the Cubs so much that you want the other team to move to FARGO ???

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Indianapolis would do fine. Although I suspect the White Sox would have just as good a chance of attracting a serious free agent in Fargo as they would as the afterthought step children in Chicago.

The White Sox can sign almost any free agent they want. All they have to do is pay the most money.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

The problem is they've gotten too many free agents.

The funny thing is a lot of free agents have chosen to go elsewhere than the Cubs too and they had to overpay for others.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Pernicious myths.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

If that's all it takes then it shouldn't matter if they were in Fargo since all it takes is the most money and being an attractive franchise has nothing to do with it.

Too many awful free agents and trades by an in-over-it's-head front office.

Except they're pretty frugal right now and they wouldn't have as much money if they were in Fargo.

The idea that baseball players regularly take less to play for "attractive franchises" is pure fantasy. MLB is not the capped NBA.

The White Sox are not losing money. They have a sweet stadium deal.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I know they're making money thanks to Reinsdorf blackmailing the state 30 years ago when the state should have told him good bye.

They haven't been frugal since the late eighties and in all that time the only serious free agent they signed was one of the biggest jerks to ever live.

I'm not sure that they wouldn't have as much money elsewhere. They'd be more likely to develop a fan base and get some attention. They would have an equal or greater chance of increasing attendance. They can develop a rivalry with a team on par with them.

Just 3-4 years ago, when both teams were awful, it was a good rivalry. The games they had against each other were perhaps the most meaningful of the season, since neither team was going anywhere soon. But 2004, when both teams were going pretty well it was good too. The key, is having both teams at similar levels. Ideally, both teams doing well. But this season, the games will probably be more important to the Sox, as they will probably be a last place team, with their only possible saving grace being whatever victories they might get against their crosstown rivals. For the Cubs they will just be like playing the Reds, Padres or Braves. Just another team they should beat up on.

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Go Cubs!!!!

They never, ever will be on similar levels in terms of fan or media interest. The White Sox will perpetually be the Western Michigan to the Cubs Michigan. An insignificant footnote.

Can someone detail the fall of the White Sox as the team of Chicago.

Was there a void in the early 80s? I remember when the Sox won in 83 it wasn't nearly as popular as the Cubs 84 season.

Was the media just full of more Cubs fans than Sox fans sometime in the late 70s or early 80s?

That will get you to a championship. Keep on believing.

I agree and believe that the division between the two will likely grow, as the Cubs continue to dominate and the Sox likely struggle in the short term.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Congrats on the Headline Championship!!

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That's fantasyland though. The game isn't set up for the Cubs- or anyone else- to "dominate". You might not notice it right now in the post-coital afterglow of the first Cub championship in 108 seasons, but everything that made the Cubs special is GONE. They will be judged more and more like a normal team. Even Wrigley Field is gone. Buried in a canyon of giant buildings and resurfaced so that it looks like a cheap replica of the original.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I think that's fantasyland to think that since they won and aren't losers anymore that they're just a regular team. The bars aren't going to close down. The fans won't sober up. And the fans won't care that their ugly stadium is now a permanent billboard. The media won't stop covering them. It'll still be the cool thing to do in the summer. And the Sox will still play in a ghetto that couldn't be a more unattractive venue for a game. (I hate Jerry Reinsdorf more every day.). Until the White Sox move the gap between them will continue to grow. Even when the White Sox have successful years on the field. Which should be a while because what they are doing now is not a rebuild, it's unloading malcontents. Nothing more.

What?

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

If the Mets and Clippers can still exist and do fairly well with the Yankees and Lakers in the same town the Sox can do just fine with the Cubs.

The Cubs would need about 20 years of championship success to even be in the same discussion as the Yankees and Lakers.

Some smart owner is going to buy the Sox on the cheap compared to most other franchises and make a ton of money with some very simple moves that leverage Chicago rather than leaving Chicago.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Basing their hopes on a guy dropped from the second best prospect to the seventeenth because he struck out 12 times in 19 plate appearances. And this is the hope for the future. I think they may have made the worst trade in all of human history.

I don't think the Cubs need 20 years of championships to be like the Yankees or Lakers in terms of fan interest or media interest. They are right there if not superior to those two in terms of fan base and interest and always have been.

I don't know how a new owner would be better for the White Sox while they still play in the ghetto. Unless they closed that stadium down and moved downtown (which would be less likely than the team moving to Indianapolis).

He'll strike out slightly less than Kris Bryant.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

19 plate appearances does not a career make.

You are an idiot.

Please do us all a favor and go drown yourself in Lake Michigan.

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