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If you believe there are risks associated with having gay parents, why don't you just say what they are? You've already made it clear that they shouldn't be allowed.



Are the kids more likely to suffer from guilt, shame, or depression? Anxiety or other health problems? How does it effect the child's sexuality,i.e. do they have more partners? I believe statistically the lack of male role model has a negative impact on families. How can you adjust for that in a same sex female couple? Is a female going to feel comfortable with 2 dads? Are you putting adult desires over or in front of that child?


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If you believe there are risks associated with having gay parents, why don't you just say what they are? You've already made it clear that they shouldn't be allowed.



Are the kids more likely to suffer from guilt, shame, or depression? Anxiety or other health problems? How does it effect the child's sexuality,i.e. do they have more partners? I believe statistically the lack of male role model has a negative impact on families. How can you adjust for that in a same sex female couple? Is a female going to feel comfortable with 2 dads? Are you putting adult desires over or in front of that child?


You're just saying random questions. Did you read this somewhere? Is there data to back it up? If not, it'd be pretty insulting to caring gay parents, IMO.

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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.


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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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If you believe there are risks associated with having gay parents, why don't you just say what they are? You've already made it clear that they shouldn't be allowed.



Are the kids more likely to suffer from guilt, shame, or depression? Anxiety or other health problems? How does it effect the child's sexuality,i.e. do they have more partners? I believe statistically the lack of male role model has a negative impact on families. How can you adjust for that in a same sex female couple? Is a female going to feel comfortable with 2 dads? Are you putting adult desires over or in front of that child?


You're just saying random questions. Did you read this somewhere? Is there data to back it up? If not, it'd be pretty insulting to caring gay parents, IMO.


Here you go.

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study ... s-research

EDIT: Another one http://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-fa ... es-no-more

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you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.



What about Suri Cruise and Jett Travolta?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:

If you believe there are risks associated with having gay parents, why don't you just say what they are? You've already made it clear that they shouldn't be allowed.



Are the kids more likely to suffer from guilt, shame, or depression? Anxiety or other health problems? How does it effect the child's sexuality,i.e. do they have more partners? I believe statistically the lack of male role model has a negative impact on families. How can you adjust for that in a same sex female couple? Is a female going to feel comfortable with 2 dads? Are you putting adult desires over or in front of that child?


You're just saying random questions. Did you read this somewhere? Is there data to back it up? If not, it'd be pretty insulting to caring gay parents, IMO.


Here you go.

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study ... s-research

EDIT: Another one http://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-fa ... es-no-more


Seems legit.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:

If you believe there are risks associated with having gay parents, why don't you just say what they are? You've already made it clear that they shouldn't be allowed.



Are the kids more likely to suffer from guilt, shame, or depression? Anxiety or other health problems? How does it effect the child's sexuality,i.e. do they have more partners? I believe statistically the lack of male role model has a negative impact on families. How can you adjust for that in a same sex female couple? Is a female going to feel comfortable with 2 dads? Are you putting adult desires over or in front of that child?


You're just saying random questions. Did you read this somewhere? Is there data to back it up? If not, it'd be pretty insulting to caring gay parents, IMO.


Here you go.

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study ... s-research

EDIT: Another one http://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-fa ... es-no-more


Seems legit.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-of-gay ... m-experts/

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Regnerus defended his study to HealthPop, saying he set out to do a population-based study, which is considered the "gold standard" in his field. Other study's samples, he said, interviewed "convenient samples" of people researchers knew, friends, or groups that are linked together somehow, but he wanted a totally random sampling.

"People will say I'm irresponsible without weighing in with stronger data," he said. "This is the best quality data we've seen so far. If they don't like the results, I'm sorry."

Regnerus was upfront about the funding from conservative groups, and said he pledged to groups involved that he would report whatever the data found, regardless of which way it leaned. What's more, he says some of the criticisms are valid and plausible.

"There are some valid criticisms that are being made, such as the measurement decision on who should be called a lesbian mother in this study," Regnerus said. "People might say that's irresponsible to do this study without all these stable lesbian couples in the study," he said, adding the random sampling only found two out of the 175 children who said they lived in a home with both same-sex parents throughout all 18 years. "I would have been happy to compare them but they did not exist in large enough numbers."

Regnerus said it's entirely possible that instability in the household led to some of the reported negative outcomes in adult children of same-sex parents. He said children of heterosexual couples in an unstable home were also found to fare worse than those in a stable environment.

"People gay or straight should stick with their partners, he said. "I think the study provides evidence of that."

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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.


You do have to allow for invitro etc. for female/female couples I suppose.

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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.


You do have to allow for invitro etc. for female/female couples I suppose.


That doesn't change the point at all unless one were denying that the vast majority of gay people (95%) throughout history have come from straight parents.

I love you Mike, but aren't you a scientist?

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leashyourkids wrote:

You're just saying random questions. Did you read this somewhere? Is there data to back it up? If not, it'd be pretty insulting to caring gay parents, IMO.


JORR said in this thead his gay friends have to go on gay vacations because they aren't accepted everywhere. Preteen and teen years are difficult if you don't think it would be hard on them that's fine. I do. I would not be comfortable talking to my dad about girl stuff, if you have a different relationship with your daughter,great. I think it would have been terrible. You are looking at it from an adult perspective without considering how difficult it might be for that child.

Not every kid will have a hard time. I'm sure some are very happy but there is risk involved.


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Spaulding wrote:
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You're just saying random questions. Did you read this somewhere? Is there data to back it up? If not, it'd be pretty insulting to caring gay parents, IMO.


JORR said in this thead his gay friends have to go on gay vacations because they aren't accepted everywhere. Preteen and teen years are difficult if you don't think it would be hard on them that's fine. I do. I would not be comfortable talking to my dad about girl stuff, if you have a different relationship with your daughter,great. I think it would have been terrible. You are looking at it from an adult perspective without considering how difficult it might be for that child.

Not every kid will have a hard time. I'm sure some are very happy but there is risk involved.


There's risk involved in any type of parental relationship.

You said you wouldn't have been comfortable talking to your dad about girl stuff. That's understandable. But what about a widowed father? Should that be taken into account when deciding if they should remove the child from his care and give to a man-woman family?

All kids have hard times. Kids from fat parents get made fun of. Kids whose dad is nonathletic get made fun of.

Should only thin athletic people be allowed to have kids?

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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.


You do have to allow for invitro etc. for female/female couples I suppose.


That doesn't change the point at all unless one were denying that the vast majority of gay people (95%) throughout history have come from straight parents.

I love you Mike, but aren't you a scientist?


No I do not doubt the percentages at all. I was simply saying that currently not all parents are straight. So it is a bit hard to say EVERY gay person has come from a straight person as rare as it may be.

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I think you need a man and a woman to raise a child. We are different and parent differently. Both are equally important. And how would you know which child would be good in which home? I don't know that the effects are and we might not know for some time good and bad but I think it's a huge risk to be taking.


wow, bigot much?


That's awesome that you and your husband have such a perfect family, but I'm pretty sure my friend Mary and her female partner are doing just fine raising their two kids.

Also would like to think that my friend Jenny, who is a widow, is doing a good job with her 3 kids despite no father being there anymore.

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And I'm not as strongly against it as Rick would like to portray me as being. I've always said I don't know but I'd lean to the cautious side of no. I think there are questions to be asked. There are a few gay couples we know that I think would be good parents. There are a few that would not be on that list too.

It really isn't a nuanced thing. Adoptive patents have to go through extreme vetting already. Gay couples should have to pass the same scrutiny as straight couples.

It's incredibly wrong that many people fight against any gay couple adopting.


all this talk about adopting, but there are other ways for Gays to have kids. What do people like Spaulding think about gay couples who give birth to kids? My friend Mary and her partner have 2 kids. They used the same male sperm donor for both, but Mary gave birth to one and her partner gave birth to the other. So now they have 2 kids who have the same dad.

I think they're doing ok.

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Should only thin athletic people be allowed to have kids?


Yes.

Suck it fatties!

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

There's risk involved in any type of parental relationship.

You said you wouldn't have been comfortable talking to your dad about girl stuff. That's understandable. But what about a widowed father? Should that be taken into account when deciding if they should remove the child from his care and give to a man-woman family?

All kids have hard times. Kids from fat parents get made fun of. Kids whose dad is nonathletic get made fun of.

Should only thin athletic people be allowed to have kids?


I wouldn't be an advocate for breaking up a unit and I'm not for reproductive selection.


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Killer V wrote:
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Should only thin athletic people be allowed to have kids?


Yes.

Suck it fatties!


Only if it has sugar on it!

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pittmike wrote:
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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.


You do have to allow for invitro etc. for female/female couples I suppose.


That doesn't change the point at all unless one were denying that the vast majority of gay people (95%) throughout history have come from straight parents.

I love you Mike, but aren't you a scientist?


No I do not doubt the percentages at all. I was simply saying that currently not all parents are straight. So it is a bit hard to say EVERY gay person has come from a straight person as rare as it may be.


But that doesn't change his argument, so it's not worth mentioning. Whether 100% or 95% of gay people are raised by straight parents is immaterial.

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wow, bigot much?


That's awesome that you and your husband have such a perfect family, but I'm pretty sure my friend Mary and her female partner are doing just fine raising their two kids.

Also would like to think that my friend Jenny, who is a widow, is doing a good job with her 3 kids despite no father being there anymore.


Wow yourself. It's not that intense.

I've already said not having the perfect family is probably why I feel the way I do. Hope it works out for Mary. Jenny has nothing to do with anything and my guess would be it's very difficult and much different than she expected.

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all this talk about adopting, but there are other ways for Gays to have kids. What do people like Spaulding think about gay couples who give birth to kids? My friend Mary and her partner have 2 kids. They used the same male sperm donor for both, but Mary gave birth to one and her partner gave birth to the other. So now they have 2 kids who have the same dad.

I think they're doing ok.


How does it work? Do they know the donor or how is one chosen? Can the kids or will the kids be able to contact the donor someday? If it's selected from a profile with no contact I don't think that would be the best. I think the story could be a hard one to accept depending on the person.


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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.


You do have to allow for invitro etc. for female/female couples I suppose.


That doesn't change the point at all unless one were denying that the vast majority of gay people (95%) throughout history have come from straight parents.

I love you Mike, but aren't you a scientist?


No I do not doubt the percentages at all. I was simply saying that currently not all parents are straight. So it is a bit hard to say EVERY gay person has come from a straight person as rare as it may be.


But that doesn't change his argument, so it's not worth mentioning. Whether 100% or 95% of gay people are raised by straight parents is immaterial.


When has that ever stopped anyone around here? :lol:

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in vitro only started in the late 70's. my main point is that gay adults who are either adopting or doing in vitro now, came from straight parents most likely. most definitely is probably not wrong.

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how does it affect sexuality? you know where every gay person comes from? straight parents.

:lol: :lol:

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I know a gay couple (two men) who have three kids and all three kids have had good lives and they're a great family. They're seriously better than any family with hetero parents I know.

You worry about the kids getting picked on but in today's society making fun of a kid for having gay parents is frowned upon, unlike when we were younger. These kids never get picked on and one of the kids is a captain on the high school football team.

A person's sexual preference has nothing to do with whether they can raise a good family or not.


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How does it work? Do they know the donor or how is one chosen? Can the kids or will the kids be able to contact the donor someday? If it's selected from a profile with no contact I don't think that would be the best. I think the story could be a hard one to accept depending on the person.



They chose a donor from the pool of donors. Pretty sure they aren't allowed to know the name of the actual donor.

Why do you have a problem with the kids not being able to find out who the sperm came from?

And what do you mean by "story"?

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