You are being watched and if you want a good analogy. Think of this as a mass electronic version of stop-and-frisk. Both are intrusive and major violations of your rights as a citizen.

I didn't vote for Trump because of this as I know he, like Obama, Bush, and Hillary, doesn't give a fuck about my Constitutional rights or my privacy. Fuck them all.

This is why I'm a Libertarian and would like to see the entire fucking system burn to the ground. This government has grown to become a monster that is far worse than the British we fought off nearly 250 years ago.

This is why MANY voted for him. Let's destroy the system and allow China or Russia to lead. Our lives will be so much better. This makes about no sense. The system needs improvement not a wrecking ball.

The system is broken when both parties are unified on trampling over our Constitutional Rights. You can choose to be blind, but the fact is our "national security" apparatus has grown into a dangerous out of control monster that has been fed by both parties. It needs to be dismantled.

If you don't care about your rights, then by all means, continue to be a blind peasant.

Believe me, I know Trump is not the answer, he's fucking feeding the beast just as Obama did.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Everything has a cost. This is the price of technology.

I'm not even sure what can be done to change it. The CIA was pretty much created to do these exact kind of things. I guess we could abolish it.

That would be a good start. The things they are doing to us are the things that the KGB did to their citizens in the 1980s

That is some good hyperbole.

Every country on the planet spies on their citizens.

That doesn't mean they are doing the same things the KGB did in the 80s.

I'd like to see there be more oversight and tighter controls myself but this is one egg you can't uncrack. As future President Mark Zuckerberg once said, "The age of privacy is over".

If you want to spy/surveil, fine... However, get a fucking specific warrant first.

Don't get me wrong. I agree the protections need to be stronger.

I'm just saying the day that everyone decided to put their lives into computers, servers, phones, and other electronics they made this a reality that can't be stopped.

It's not much different than people getting phones in their house opening themselves up to those phones being tapped if granted permission.

Don't get me wrong. I agree the protections need to be stronger.

I'm just saying the day that everyone decided to put their lives into computers, servers, phones, and other electronics they made this a reality that can't be stopped.

It's not much different than people getting phones in their house opening themselves up to those phones being tapped if granted permission.

they get "permission" from some kangaroo court with no oversight.

are we on the side of people spying on others without permission or proper warrants ?

People are concentrating on the "how" rather than the "why" though. If a warrant is properly obtained then go ahead and listen in on the tv and cell phone just like you would listen to a land line or even place a listening device on their car.

There needs to be more oversight and more protection for unlawful surveillance but the methods that get people upset aren't really worth getting upset about.

are we on the side of people spying on others without permission or proper warrants ?

You are being watched and if you want a good analogy. Think of this as a mass electronic version of stop-and-frisk. Both are intrusive and major violations of your rights as a citizen.

I didn't vote for Trump because of this as I know he, like Obama, Bush, and Hillary, doesn't give a fuck about my Constitutional rights or my privacy. Fuck them all.

This is why I'm a Libertarian and would like to see the entire fucking system burn to the ground. This government has grown to become a monster that is far worse than the British we fought off nearly 250 years ago. Maybe this country needs an uprising.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

People are concentrating on the "how" rather than the "why" though. If a warrant is properly obtained then go ahead and listen in on the tv and cell phone just like you would listen to a land line or even place a listening device on their car.

There needs to be more oversight and more protection for unlawful surveillance but the methods that get people upset aren't really worth getting upset about.

And who should be the ones in charge of "more oversight and more protection for unlawful surveillance"?

I imagine the same people in charge of previous forms of surveillance before our tvs were connected to the internet.

I imagine the same people in charge of previous forms of surveillance before our tvs were connected to the internet.

Because they are. That's irrefutable. Snowden, PRISM, Stingrays, FISA courts, now these leaks, time and again it has been proven that the federal government has collected, parsed, and filed away data on millions of Americans, indiscriminately. And the best you can muster is "hur durr, you think the feds care about you?"

It's not about them caring about me, or anyone else, it's about their ability to "care" about me, or anyone else, if they choose.

Oh, and look up the DEA's SOD, and their regular practice of parallel construction.

I would never use the well "China or Russia does it this way", so we need to. We have checks and balances for a reason. I am fine if they want to keep an eye on suspects, be it common criminals or terrorists. Just get the proper court order. The entire idea of, "you have nothing to fear if you aren't doing anything wrong" is quite possibly the worst logic ever. In a society that subscribes to that, you could allow the government to be infinitely intrusive with massive surveillance in the name of security.

Who says they aren't? You all seem to be upset that our government has the ability to use technology that exist. It makes absolutely no sense.

So you want the people who have failed to oversee and properly regulate unlawful surveillance to just do a better job of overseeing and regulating unlawful surveillance? Sounds like a great plan!

We should have a surveillance program and it should be filled with checks and balances and controls and oversight.

This is already the case. So essentially, you're in favor of making zero changes. I'm shocked.

What? The bolded part is the part that makes absolutely no sense. Think about what you're saying there.