operating as it should according to whom - the citizens, the Constitution, or the government agencies in charge?


The point behind these leaks and the Snowden leaks is to illustrate that the protocols and rules aren't being followed, and in fact that they were never intended to be followed.

It was sarcasm. Of course you think everything is fine.

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I asked you to think about this, and instead you ignored that advice and just repeated it. Think of all the technology that exists today. Now realize that you are saying the government should be allowed to use that technology however it sees fit. What if the government wanted to murder you? The technology exists to murder you, so why have a problem with it? I have to think you know better and just misspoke, twice.

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This is a philosophical question but ultimately it is all three though that isn't always true given that we have to come up with some sort of standards.
I don't think you were really attempting to understand my posts with this one. If the protocols and rules aren't being followed that is the major issue. I mean, I literally said "We should have a surveillance program and it should be filled with checks and balances and controls and oversight." you said we already have that, and then you said that the rules aren't being followed and they aren't intended to be followed.

It seems like you are arguing against what you want me to be saying rather than what I am saying.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I love it when it was revealed our government was listening to Merkel's phone conversations. Literally, no one is safe from government intrusion. They have Echelon. They were mass collecting meta data on everyone. There's nothing to stop these guys. And we probably only know a small portion of what these guys are doing.

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I'm not saying that the government should be able to do whatever they want to do. I simply said if there is a technology that exsists I want my government to be competent enough to have the ability to use it. I didn't say spy on FF. Do you really think that every other advanced country in the world isn't using some technology that we may or may not be aware of? Your beef is with advances in technology.

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Do you really believe that they aren't listening to us? What fantasy world are you living in?

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Wrong. My beef is with how the government uses that technology. Not all of us think they should be able to do whatever they want with that technology, and yes you did directly imply that with your question.

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The ability to use technology to keep FF safe is different than spying on FF to see if he is training to fight BF

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I can't believe that people here who are against Trump are for the government having these capabilities. Do you not see how they can easily be abused?

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The idea is to allow surveillance and limit ability to abuse. There has to be a balance.

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This makes no sense. Trump can't order a warrant to look at me because I call him names. There is other technology that he has the codes to that are far more dangerous than our government not being completely incompetent when it comes to using technology to defend us.

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Uh yes, I believe they are doing a lot of things they shouldn't be doing. I thought that was clear. My political leanings reflect my inherent fear of government. I have supported Snowden as a whistler blower from day one. What fantasy world are you living in to not see that in my posting history?

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People don't care. We lived in a state of fear long before Trump became President. He is now a convenient scapegoat for the rights they tossed away like Halloween candy over the last 20 years. They come here day after day to blame Trump, rather than look in a mirror and take accountability for what they have so willingly taken part in.

The absolute refusal to acknowledge JORR's repeated examples here of this behavior is Exhibit A.

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Yeap, it was a joke on WSCR, "They're taking away our rights."

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We handed them over.

No one had to take anything.

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So why are you so bothered by us listening to our "friends"?

Snowden is a traitor. He's not a whistle blower. He should be in prison. The more stuff that comes out makes that clear as well as a little commonsense. Of course people hate and distrust their own government so much that they'll believe anything that feeds their cynicism.

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Yes everyone comes here and complains that Trump is behaving like W or Obama. Anymore excuses?

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Should Bradley Manning be in prison?

I think it's cute that you believe the government actually gets warrants for everything and that the NSA doesn't listen to personal phone calls. My grand kids still believe in the tooth fairy too.

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I'm not surprised that you are on board with the Trump conspiracy. You were/are a birrher too. I imagine that you also believe that 5 million illegals voted too. Talk about believing in fairytales. Have you located the article about Obama shutting the White House lights off on election day?

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This is why I rarely watch TV in the nude anymore

We've been willingly surrendering our rights to a malicious government since 1913.

It accelerated in 2001.

In all honesty, it's gotten to the point that we should really start viewing our government as a hostile entity that seeks to build its own power at our expense.

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Habit.

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What's the next step?

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I also need to say, I find it absolutely hilarious that someone with a Malcolm X avatar is supporting government surveillance, especially when it was used against him (and other Civil Rights leaders) by our "benevolent" government during their lifetimes... Oh the irony

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I'd say that we need protests, but how about instead of protesting where you're blocking some city street in a downtown business district, have a protest at the gate outside of Langley Virginia or Fort Meade, Maryland. I think that would be a hell of a lot more effective.

I also think BLM protests fail for the same reason. Instead of blocking an interstate, block the front door of the police departments or the court houses. Target the institutions that are at fault and victimizing the citizens, not the innocent taxpayer running from his 9 to 5 job.

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It would be if I was supporting the government illegally spying on citizens while they play with themselves in front of their television. Since that isn't the case what's the next step? How do we destroy this country? What's the end game?

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Not destroy the country, destroy the institutions. It would be nice if instead of having a million people walking around in pussy hats, that instead they could barricade the gates at CIA or the NSA to let them know we're fed up. Congress has the power to neuter these agencies and a movement like that could get the message spread as you will find sympathetic ears on both sides of the aisle. When Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders agree on an issue, you know the situation is fucked.

You're also being foolishly naïve if you don't believe our government is using these powers to bulk collect data of citizens without a warrant. We know they already did this in PRISM.

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Welp, again it looks like Infowars and Bannon/Breitbart were spot-on.

Its no longer "theory" if there is actually a conspiracy afoot.

Found this interesting as well:

Why Dems will regret a probe into Russian election hacking

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Everyone is collecting data. Of course the government is too. Are you a cash only type of guy? If not every time you swipe your card that data is collected and sold. Every time you search something or visit a website data is collected. This is the world we live in.

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