The German military was still strong enough to stop Hitler. They declined.

To be honest I didn't know about that. You are really out to lunch if you think I'm an Obama defender. I'm not. I have been extremely critical of him over the years. From Guantanamo to drones to his support of the overthrow of Quaddafi I criticize him. If you are looking for an Obama apologist it ain't me.

Now I will admit that I apologize for Hillary Clinton but much of that is due to what I perceive as unfairness. It is now her fault for giving us Trump. That is some of the biggest B.S. I think Ive ever heard. If only she would have lost we wouldn't have Trump. People voting for the idiot and repeatedly defending him are not accountable. Person that simply lost is responsible.


It's why I used the Hitler analogy earlier. People voted for Hitler. People voted for Trump. If people can't be accountable for who they vote for then they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Hitler is extreme and Trump isn't that but Trump won because he had a base of support that never wavered.

There are millions of people that believe in what this guy is spewing. Plain and simple.

Pointing out the selective outrage of certain members is not apologizing for Trump. It's nothing more than pointing out there selective outrage.

I had no idea about the first ban either. I don't believe that is the case for everyone who posts here though.

I forgot to commend you and LTG when you both spoke so eloquently about the first travel ban against Muslims that was instituted by the Obama administration.

To be honest I didn't know about that.

I had no idea about the first ban either.

And neither did I.

As far as I'm concerned that illustrates the real issue- the radical difference in the way Trump is being covered when compared to Obama (or really any other president in memory).

To be honest I didn't know about that.

Not sure what this has to do with Trump. Technically, Germany was not supposed to have much of a military. So if the German generals stood up to Hitler in 1933 and installed their own Fuhrer it likely would have thrown the country into a civil war or caused France to reoccupy a section of Germany. Hitler had his own private army, the SA and he compromised with the army by taking out the SA's top leadership. After that Hitler was skilled at dividing the generals and forcing those who opposed him into retirement. So he showed more political skill than Trump.

You keep missing the point which is that when you get past everything Hitler still had a large number of people that supported him. He didn't ascend to power via a coup de tat. Trump has a large number of people supporting him also. He isn't a default choice and it is disingenuous to keep suggesting that the American people don't want this assclown. He wasn't forced upon anyone. They voted for this jerk and it isn't really surprising that his disapproval ratings really haven't decline since he became President. Few points here or there. This is what this country wanted. Now we got it and it is time to buckle up

Because Hitler got 30 percent of the vote it's comparable to Trump because that's a lot of support? That doesn't make a lot of sense other than you don't like Trump and want to compare him to Hitler.

The real difference between Obama's ban and Trump's comes down to perceptions that Obama is "a good man" and Trump is "evil". And even if both things are true, the bans should be covered based on the facts.

Breathe! Obama's ban was based on actionable intelligence about an attack. He didn't pick countries out of a fucking hat or target a religion. This really isn't that hard.

Of course you're going to have justifications for the actions of the guy you like. Just like the Trump supporter has justifications for the actions of Trump. But that really misses the point entirely and that is that Obama imposed a similar travel ban and moratorium on refugees and nobody even knew it happened.

The real difference between Obama's ban and Trump's comes down to perceptions that Obama is "a good man" and Trump is "evil". And even if both things are true, the bans should be covered based on the facts.

Breathe! Obama's ban was based on actionable intelligence about an attack. He didn't pick countries out of a fucking hat or target a religion. This really isn't that hard.

Of course you're going to have justifications for the actions of the guy you like. Just like the Trump supporter has justifications for the actions of Trump. But that really misses the point entirely and that is that Obama imposed a similar travel ban and moratorium on refugees and nobody even knew it happened.