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Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


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Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


My opinion is not exclusive to iphones. Even if you view a cell phone as a necessity you do not "need" anything more than something to talk and text on. You do not need a computer in your hands doing everything possible. Don't get me wrong I am not denying anyone to do what they please. Just don't complain you have no money without exploring the difference between needs and wants.

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


IDK, was just a tangent we got off on. My needs versus wants opinion is an across the board idea. I spoil my kids and am sure I waste a lot. But if I had to pay my own healthcare (or any seriously important thing) out of my pocket I would know where to cut.

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


IDK, was just a tangent we got off on. My needs versus wants opinion is an across the board idea. I spoil my kids and am sure I waste a lot. But if I had to pay my own healthcare (or any seriously important thing) out of my pocket I would know where to cut.

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Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


My opinion is not exclusive to iphones. Even if you view a cell phone as a necessity you do not "need" anything more than something to talk and text on. You do not need a computer in your hands doing everything possible. Don't get me wrong I am not denying anyone to do what they please. Just don't complain you have no money without exploring the difference between needs and wants.
A lot of people are using smartphones in place of having a computer though. Email is vital to living and working in America now too.

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In my neighborhood I know two families who are in the process of losing their homes. One of them is selling everything they can on Facebook, including their couch cushions. Yet, when I see them at activities, the parents and the jr. high kids they trudge around with all have the latest iPhones. To be honest, I think this is the type of people he is targeting with this statement.


I got into a discussion with an older gentlemen when I first entered the workforce after finishing my undergrad work. It was the mid-90's, and he said people are just losing ground every day. I went home and thought about it. And even back then you could see all the money people were spending that wasn't being spent in the 1960's:

Cable bills
Eating out regularly
Multiple tvs
Computers
Expensive gas and long commutes
Nearly everyone owns two cars
Houses that are much larger

Fast forward to today, and we've added things like:
High speed internet
Cell phones bills with the accompanying phone costs
Silly levels of medical costs. Just the sheer numbers of meds being consumed and the advancement in procedures
College tuition is both more expensive and widely used
Toll roads?

So while it is a shame that the middle class has stagnated and even regressed, many of the reasons are obvious. The average middle class person has more material wealth, while clearly being in a more precarious financial position. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try to solve declining social mobility and the massive wealth gap. But it's not as simple as, "things are worse today."


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I remember back in the day(1980s) with old school phone service a lengthy long distance call or two could result in a crippling phone bill. Internet access/VOIP/chat messages has allowed Americans to communicate for cheap. That's too often ignored


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Joe, I think it's time to get rid of Bootstrap, I don't know if it's a mult but it's getting old


Why? People who aren't mults literally say worse.

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pittmike wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


My opinion is not exclusive to iphones. Even if you view a cell phone as a necessity you do not "need" anything more than something to talk and text on. You do not need a computer in your hands doing everything possible. Don't get me wrong I am not denying anyone to do what they please. Just don't complain you have no money without exploring the difference between needs and wants.
A lot of people are using smartphones in place of having a computer though. Email is vital to living and working in America now too.


Most people are doing both though. They have the smart phone as well as the PC and internet at home. Need the wi-fi too. I follow what you are saying but you cannot deny for some societal reasons people no longer have the same ideas when it comes to what is necessary. In my own situation I need a car for sure. I do not need a $90,000 car.

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Joe, I think it's time to get rid of Bootstrap, I don't know if it's a mult but it's getting old


Why? People who aren't mults literally say worse.

? Who? Maybe Hockey Gay?


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pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


My opinion is not exclusive to iphones. Even if you view a cell phone as a necessity you do not "need" anything more than something to talk and text on. You do not need a computer in your hands doing everything possible. Don't get me wrong I am not denying anyone to do what they please. Just don't complain you have no money without exploring the difference between needs and wants.
A lot of people are using smartphones in place of having a computer though. Email is vital to living and working in America now too.


Most people are doing both though. They have the smart phone as well as the PC and internet at home. Need the wi-fi too. I follow what you are saying but you cannot deny for some societal reasons people no longer have the same ideas when it comes to what is necessary. In my own situation I need a car for sure. I do not need a $90,000 car.
A lot of people waste money on a lot of things. In my opinion, a smartphone is a justifiable value for all the things that it can do especially if you buy the generation prior to the newest one which often you can get almost for free.

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


It's all from the playbook to demonize those who are less fortunate.

Not everybody who is struggling is doing so because they recklessly live beyond their means. To suggest otherwise, like Mr. Chaffetz did with his dog whistle, is insulting and ignorant.

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The IRS now considers cell phones a "necessity", fwiw.


I'm not sure why, I can see porn a lot better on a larger screen.

Because basic communication is a necessity.


I think its more an addiction. We were doing just fine before them.

People did just fine before cars, too.

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


It's all from the playbook to demonize those who are less fortunate.

Not everybody who is struggling is doing so because they recklessly live beyond their means. To suggest otherwise, like Mr. Chaffetz did with his dog whistle, is insulting and ignorant.


Very wrong.

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


It's all from the playbook to demonize those who are less fortunate.

Not everybody who is struggling is doing so because they recklessly live beyond their means. To suggest otherwise, like Mr. Chaffetz did with his dog whistle, is insulting and ignorant.


Very wrong.


How so?

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Chus wrote:
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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


It's all from the playbook to demonize those who are less fortunate.

Not everybody who is struggling is doing so because they recklessly live beyond their means. To suggest otherwise, like Mr. Chaffetz did with his dog whistle, is insulting and ignorant.


Very wrong.


How so?

This oughta be good.

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Joe, I think it's time to get rid of Bootstrap, I don't know if it's a mult but it's getting old


Why? People who aren't mults literally say worse.

? Who? Maybe Hockey Gay?

Hockey Gay is fine; he's on the outside fringes of the in crowd ... well, outside if it's below 70 degrees anyway.

Use the 'foe' function on people whose posts you don't want to see ... until some dope quotes them anyway.

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There are in fact cheaper cell phone options. A family of four without sufficient income should not view running four iphones at $200 a month a necessity.


I agree but what does that have to do with health insurance?


It's all from the playbook to demonize those who are less fortunate.

Not everybody who is struggling is doing so because they recklessly live beyond their means. To suggest otherwise, like Mr. Chaffetz did with his dog whistle, is insulting and ignorant.


Very wrong.


How so?

This oughta be good.


No kidding.

I'm not saying that there aren't people who recklessly live beyond their means. I know some. To suggest, as Mr. Chaffetz does, and Mike appears to, that everybody who can't afford health insurance lives recklessly, is beyond ridiculous. I can't believe that this even needs to be said.

Cell phones and internet access are not luxuries in 2017, just as shoes and coats are not.

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pittmike wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Caller Bob wrote:
Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


My opinion is not exclusive to iphones. Even if you view a cell phone as a necessity you do not "need" anything more than something to talk and text on. You do not need a computer in your hands doing everything possible. Don't get me wrong I am not denying anyone to do what they please. Just don't complain you have no money without exploring the difference between needs and wants.
A lot of people are using smartphones in place of having a computer though. Email is vital to living and working in America now too.


Most people are doing both though. They have the smart phone as well as the PC and internet at home. Need the wi-fi too. I follow what you are saying but you cannot deny for some societal reasons people no longer have the same ideas when it comes to what is necessary. In my own situation I need a car for sure. I do not need a $90,000 car.

You need a PC/Laptop and internet in today's society. Those two items have developed into essential resources.


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pittmike wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Outside of the the initial cost, a plan with IPHONES, really is not much different than one with androids. It's the monthly data rates that drive the costs


My opinion is not exclusive to iphones. Even if you view a cell phone as a necessity you do not "need" anything more than something to talk and text on. You do not need a computer in your hands doing everything possible. Don't get me wrong I am not denying anyone to do what they please. Just don't complain you have no money without exploring the difference between needs and wants.
A lot of people are using smartphones in place of having a computer though. Email is vital to living and working in America now too.


Most people are doing both though. They have the smart phone as well as the PC and internet at home. Need the wi-fi too. I follow what you are saying but you cannot deny for some societal reasons people no longer have the same ideas when it comes to what is necessary. In my own situation I need a car for sure. I do not need a $90,000 car.

You need a PC/Laptop and internet in today's society. Those two items have developed into essential resources.


You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.


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You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.

Good luck advancing anywhere in today's world with that philosophy. Great way to keep disadvantaged people down.


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You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.

Good luck advancing anywhere in today's world with that philosophy. Great way to keep disadvantaged people down.


Stop with the soap box. It's so ridiculous. Are you saying you can't get a job without a cell phone or home computer?


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You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.
What do people need?

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You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.
What do people need?


Food, water, shelter, and access to healthcare (not necessarily affordable access).

Edit: and clothes


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You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.
What do people need?

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You literally do not need internet access and/or a cell phone on a daily basis. Do you need access to a phone? Sure. Do you need access to the internet? Sure. But it is not life and death if you have a landline and go to the library to use the computer.
What do people need?


Food, water, shelter, and access to healthcare (not necessarily affordable access).
Should we guarantee that every American who works a full time job can provide that for themselves?

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