Giannis Antetokounmpo 6-11 Butler 6-7 I don' expect him to win that matchup

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Antetokounmpo is becoming a top player in the league. Kawhi is a top 5 player. Yes, it isn't unreasonable that they could one-up Jimmy Butler.

On December 30, 2006 Luol Deng outplayed Lebron James...going a very efficient 15 of 19 and helping cause Lebron to turn the ball over 5 times in a Bulls win.

Luol Deng is not better than Lebron James. Over their entire head to head career, LeBron James easily gets the best of that battle.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =antetgi01

As Jimmy Butler has gotten the best of Giannis Antetokounmpo.

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I guess they should have kept Moore.

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You are placing Butler in the top five/ten based upon what though? Greek guy has gotten the better of him each time this season. His stats are also better and his team has Tony Snell, Delly, and Henson in the starting lineup and their record is the same as the Bulls.

When you get to his position you have to get to 5 before Butler even enters the conversation.

LeBron James

Durant

Leonard

Giannis

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I wouldn't put Antetokounmpo above Butler yet. Butler has been upper echelon for three seasons now...this is Antetokounmpo's first.

The other three are better than Butler. That doesn't mean Butler isn't better than DeMarcus Cousins or Kyrie Irving. He is.

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No he isn't. I will just use Irving as an example. He dominated the league MVP from last year. He demonstrated what it takes to be that "guy". When Butler starts doing that against top tier guys then it becomes a conversation. That's old school lace em up and get after it basketball. When I consistently see him get locked up on D or outplayed on offense by top guys then it is difficult to put him in the conversation. Giannis is better and people had Butler top 10 last season too. He'd only played at a high level for one season and people here placed him in the top 10

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You talk like Irving was the reason the Cavs won the championship

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Did you even watch the games? If so then there'd be no need to explain his impact.

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Butler looked pretty good against Lebron in the 2015 playoffs. He scored, rebounded and didn't turn the ball over. He also held Lebron to under 40% shooting for the series. 4.5 turnovers per game for Lebron.

He also one-upped the Antetokounmpo led Bucks in the first round.

And he has only gotten better in the two seasons since.

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The main impact was Lebron's will and Greens' suspension ....and yes I watched the games did you?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

He does tend to play James tough on defense. Defensively Butler is solid. He was better before his offense came along but he is still good to very good defensively.

It is his offense that prevents him from being upper echelon in my opinion. Doesn't shoot or handle particularly well and ball stops alot. He is good at drawing fouls though. It takes him too many dribbles to get his shot off.

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Anyone watching that series would have placed James 1 and Irving 1A as far as impact and Irving made the shot that won game 7. You don't what the hell you're talking about with that. You could pull up the stats and you'd still look foolish.

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His offense has improved a lot but I agree.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

There is no one blueprint for greatness.

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Get the ball to Carmelo and get out of his way.

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Blueprint for mediocrity: playing Etwaun Moore significant minutes. Already product tested.

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Since LTG thinks Butler is just a guy....then Leonard is the quintessential "bumslayer"

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/san-antonio-spurs/players/kawhi-leonard/profile/17/27/401

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I agree. I wouldn't want either leading my team.

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E'Twaun Moore is essentially a better, more versatile Doug McDermott that also doesn't get lost on defense and can play quality minutes at 3 positions.

I still can't believe the Bulls traded the 16th and 19th picks...

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This year has been so damn frustrating.

I've come around to the belief that Hoiberg is overmatched by the NBA game. I know he doesn't necessarily have the type of players he wants or needs to run his system, but damn, these rotations of his make me want to reach through the screen and Vinny Del Negro him which would be quite the feat considering Fred doesn't wear a tie.

If we're going to roll with him through his contract then we might as well go full D'Antoni with this thing for the remainder of Holberg's time here. I cringe at the prospect of signing Bosh this offseason and trying to rekindle the flame that burned in Miami. It's not going to happen so please don't try.

Here's hoping we slip out of playoff contention and somehow, someway secure a top 4 pick. Otherwise we're f**cked as Bull fans under this ownership.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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Hoiberg has to go. He can't coach at this level. Butler has to be right behind him. The Butler as franchise player thing is a disaster.



I don't know if they will eat the salary but if they are then he has to go. The Bulls aren't very talented but that doesnt explain everything.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Unlike you I was willing to give him a chance. Butler has to be bounced too. He isn't a franchise player.

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His ineptness was on full display only two months into last season. There was no doubt he was in over his head.

Butler not being a franchise player isn't a reason to dump him - it's a reason to find a Batman so he can be Robin.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

My reason for whacking Hoiberg is different than yours and I still don't believe he is the biggest thing afflicting the Bulls. Talent is still the biggest issue. I just don't think once they get better players that he is the guy to get it out of them

As far as Butler he is a problem. He also has played shitty as hell for about a month now. He isn't exactly separating himself for a guy billed to be a superstar. I don't want him as a 2nd best player either. Now that he is established he isn't going to accept that. Move him on while he still has value.

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The problem is Jimmy sees himself as Batman and there's nobody that's going to change his mind about taking a lesser role. And even if you find a way to team him up with someone who's a legit star in their prime, that someone better not need the ball because Butler is going to dominate it. He's also going to slow things down so he can get his offense in.

Unfortunately for him and for us as fans, he's player best suited to a different era of NBA basketball.

I don't really see how one can conclude he irrevocably needs the ball in his hands at all times or would simply never accept not being Batman when there's literally never been anyone worth deferring to on the Bulls since his ascent.

This, plus a.decent coach would be able to figure out a solution to the problem MM brought up.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY