Pretty sad that we hope our $184m outfielder can get back to a whopping .340 OBP and 17 hr. It really is unfathomable...it's literally a $100 million dollar mistake.

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If you asked nicely I would respect it rather than the common theme of 'Sox fan in Cubs section. Get him!'

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Victor Caratini.

Brick, your thoughts?

Bust.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Thank you for the prompt response.

And I for one enjoy your Cub thoughts. Keep em coming, so to speak.

I guess I should just disregard 2010, 11 and 12 of that contract because eventually in pitched well in a big game.

This isn't a Chapman situation discussed in other threads where the acquisition is for a few months while in contention for the sole purpose of playoff time where a World Series win justifies everything. He was with the Red Sox for five years and his overall body of work in Boston was bad.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Thanks! I needed that after leash, Don Tiny, and rpb treated me like that.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

what I meant was



and Lester was up and down in year 1 of that contract

but take a look at Theo's big dollar free agent signings of the past decade and it will reveal a weakness. He even acknowledged that weakness on day 1 but it hasn't stopped him.

He was saved from big dollar mistakes with the Cubs when Tanaka and Sanchez chose to sign elsewhere

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

There is a good chance Zobrist would not be on the team this year but for that contract.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Ben Zobrist was worth 4fWAR last year. Do you have anymore "Bad Baseball Thoughts"?

No matter what Ben does the rest of his baseball life,he literally made the dreams of millions of fans come true with his clutch performance in the postseason. His celebration of that clutch double in game 7 of the WS is forever burned in my brain.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Would the Cubs rather have Baez or Zobrist starting at 2B. Schwarber or Zobrist in LF. Bryant or Zobrist at 3B. Maybe you can make a case for RF but then the discussion returns to its starting point about big free agent contracts.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

You know what's great?

The Cubs don't have to choose between one or the other in any of those situations. Great organizations build talented depth at all positions.

I apologize that the Cubs' bench players could start for 25 other franchises.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

All of that depends on the matchup

Starting pitcher is a position.

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Cubs could have a 6 man rotation. How bow dah?

Duane Underwood and Dylan Cease will be competing for starting roles in 2018 or 2019.

All is good, my friend.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Uh, the Cubs have two legitimate starting pitchers under contract for 2018, lets not start acting like they have a stockpile of SPs at their disposal.

For the #3 spot in the rotation. Unless there is another big money starter signed. Then again another free agent pitcher is certainly not building Talent in the starting rotation.

How bout dah

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Still better than anything the White Sux will be rolling out...
How but dah

Good God, you're giving Tim Baffoe a run for his money. You're saying that the World Series MVP for the Chicago Cubs was a bad signing?

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Sounds like you've deemed Baez and Schwarber great players based on a small sample. Sad to see dolphin walk back years of criticism over a half season (maybe less) of production from each player. I expected better.

I think we need a sub forum titled
"White Sox fans trolling the Cubs with bad baseball thoughts"

It's a four year contract.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

You don't have to be great to be better than Zobrist. However, I am not saying that I agree with the Cub assessment. I am only verbalizing their assessment.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

True but he was never the can't miss guy. Any Theo type worth his salt will tell you managers matter little and post season is random.

I'd agree Maddon was billed like that for reg season

This guy gets it

Teue but that's pretty much the player he was when they signed him. 360 obp ish

I was kidding and have acknowledged FA as his weakness.

Lester and Zobrist were great signings though. If you heavily contribute to a title team, it's unquestionably a good signing