And now a topic of conversation in the Sox section in this new thread, started by a Cubs fan of course: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=105579

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and yet, he cannot start at shortstop for his own team

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The greatness of this team.

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Classic dolphin.

You've won me over. Baez sucks. Russell sucks and boy oh boy does Zobrist suck. Add him to the Theo list of FA busts.

I'd hazard a guess he doesn't start at SS because Russell is an elite defender.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=20,d

Even GD knows this is a troll job. Don't buy in.

but Baez is the best I've ever seen

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Reading yes, as I only view the board through active topics. But out of 7 threads, I only posted in 1. I'll venture to guess you are more active in Cub fans than 1 for 7.

1 for 7, that's about Heywards average.

So you are reading the Sox section. Thanks.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Sox trolling is dead.

RIP
2005-2016

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2005

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Its over. There is nothing that can be said that stings anymore.

Free at last!

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You admitted defeat!

2005: The team that broke the longest city World Series losing streak!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's good. Just sorta sucks they had to sell their soul for it to happen. Curious Hair knows was I'm talkin about.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Did another one of those amazing slides in the WBC game tonight.

Saw that as well as a couple more amazing plays on defense. The guy just brings an energy to whatever team he plays for. He's fun to watch and gets everyone else energized. No way should they trade him. Can play every position on the field practically, runs exceptionally well and is a good hitter with pop. Spring training is winding up and as far as him being traded in the next week and a half...in the words of the Kap man....."No Shot".

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Go Cubs!!!!

Where does Heyward check in on the Frank Costanza top 25 defensive RFs?


And in general, what do you think of Javy Baez as a defender?

Baez is the best fielder I have ever seen.....and I done a lot of seeing

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I like the cut of your jib.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Hell of a shoutout to Jim Hendry for Baez & Contreras.

The only talent developed by Theo in the starting lineup was Bryant.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

jimmy, jimmy, jimmy.

Do Baez and Contreras develop under a Hendry regime? Hell, are they even part of the organization or are they traded for a "win now" middling player before they could make an impact at the MLB level?

And you're really not going to give credit to the Theo & Co. for developing Rizzo and Hendricks? Also, is it a coincidence that Arrieta and Strop both turned things around once under Cub tutelage?

Plus, what about Happ? You started this thread saying he could easily fill the void left by Baez if he were to be dealt. Doesn't that mean the Cub did a pretty good job developing him in your eyes?

Please don't quote "the Kap man". It's one of the things that make you sound like an idiot.

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Hey,Theo put a WS winner together and I love him for that BUT not too much home grown talent. Yes,the Cubs have watched other teams talent blossom under their tutelage but still the fact remains not much home grown talent from the greatest leader in the world.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Yeah, Bryant, Schwarber and Almora certainly did not contribute to the World Series. Eloy and Happ aren't two of the top prospects in baseball.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

They did of course but one of those guys was just a defensive replacement in 2016. I think he will be a lot better this season.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

That's like telling somebody that took you out for a VIP night on the town that it's nice and all but you don't care for the lighting nor the dull shine on the ice bucket that the Moet is sitting in.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

What I was trying to get across is the Cubs don't actually look like the KC Royals. They actually look like a Hendry-type team with parts from other organizations. Difference of course,is these "parts" came together and actually won something.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

No it's not.

Elmhurst Don

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The Cubs look like Theo and Jed are Earl Weaver's kids.

Compare the Cubs to the 1971 Orioles
- Emphasis on the home run? Check. Baltimore 7 guys with 10+ HR. Cubs had 10 guys, albeit in an era where HR are a little easier.
- Emphasis on defense? Check. Baltimore had two legendary defenders in Belanger and Brooks Robinson, and only one butcher in Frank Robinson. Cubs have Russell/Baez/Heyward, Rizzo holds his own at 1B. Almora was on the playoff roster. Meanwhile, Zobrist has aged at 2B, and Schwarber will probably be as bad as Robinson.
- Four solid starters with ERA+ > 100? Check. Baltimore had Palmer, Cuellar, Dobson, McNally, all of whom won 20 games in a combined 142 starts.
- Position flexibility. Weaver was a staunch proponent of the third catcher being more important than an extra reliever, and was big on platoons. The Cubs had David Ross, and Bryant played 6 positions last year.

In later years, Weaver caused the DH rules to have to be changed, because in the middle of a September pennant race he started putting other starting pitchers at DH so he could decide which of his bench guys should play DH that day based on the situation when the position was due up.

https://prestonjg.wordpress.com/2009/09 ... e-dh-rule/

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