My answer: Yes.

Darkside's answer:


What's your answer?

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There's a reason you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Also, the question isn't most efficient, so I'll have to say yes a gun is an efficient killing method.

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I don't know . Every weekend around here we get maybe 40 plus shot with a handful of deaths . Doesn't seem very efficient to me.

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When a man with a 45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol is a dead man.

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Could I kill one person with a handgun?
Yes. However, as someone who fires a couple thousand rounds a year I'll say that hitting a target that doesn't want to be hit with a handgun at any real distance is a challenge, and with a rifle or shotgun you will do more damage but the distance factors in.
When you say efficient, do you mean one unsuspecting person or do you mean home invasion defense scenarios or do you mean crowd control or do you mean mass execution?
If I wanted to take out as many people as quickly as possible and egress the situation guns would be the least efficient of many choices. If I wanted to kill one person who didn't see it coming a gun is certainly lethal but so would be many other choices making guns equal to other choices.
Home defense? Yeah. A gun is clearly the top choice. Surprise scenarios? You're in a mall and someone starts shooting up the place yeah clearly poison or a knife or napalm isn't the best option.

Saying "is it efficient?" Is a question that cannot be answered without detailed descriptions of the situation you're referring to.

Do guns win wars today? No. Not efficient.
Are the the estates choice for mass homicide? They'll work to some extent, however not as efficient as other options.
A one on one engagement? They will likely end the engagement but depending on the weapon, ammunition, and skill of the operator lethality varies significantly so efficiency is difficult to qualify.

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I think threads like this have a higher probability of leading to someone's death than guns do.

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One thing my instructor told us was that a handgun is good at giving you a fighting chance to get to your rifle.

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The skill of the operator is pointless to argue about, but like any tool or weapon we are obviously talking about someone who is trained to use it. Not Plaxico Burress.

I don't really understand why you keep trying to sprawl the argument into a million directions. I never mentioned a stadium of people and winning wars. "A human being" is pretty specific. You seem focused on handguns. A rifle and a shotgun are guns, which is what the question is. America originally said firearm so go with that if you'd like. We can argue about what the most efficient gun is, but outside of military grade weapons you aren't going to find a more efficient weapon for killing a human being with. It's that simple.

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There's a lot of mythology about firearms that people don't get. I put a one ounce slug at 1050fps into a 170lb doe at 30 yards. They does barely knew it was shot. It stopped grazing, looked up and ran off a out 70 yards, laid down and died over a 10 minute period. A 115 grain 9mm 900 fps round hitting a 220lb man will not throw him violently backward 5 feet thru a plate glass window. The kinetic transfer from a standard 9mm is less than that of a 1plb weight dropped 2 feet. Primary cavities from handguns are very small, as the kinetic energy contained is quite small.
Naturally a small caliber rifle round at 2000+fps produces much larger primary and secondary cavities but again, we're not sending bodies flying.

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No you didn't mention a stadium but you didn't specify what you're referring to in a specific question.
It's like asking what the most efficient mode of transportation is. But you don't know where you're going, when you need to get there, how quickly you need to get there or any important details. You can't say cars are the most efficient when there's public trains in a city, or that public trains are efficient when you live in the country and you need to get to a neighboring township.
You've crafted a terrible question.

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Most efficient tool to kill a human being with...

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All of this is wrong.

I specified a human being. That's clearly a singular target. I never asked if it was the most efficient, so your analogy doesn't work. You seem to be hung up on "most efficient" when that was never a part of the question. You're trying to answer something I never asked and then blaming my question for the invalid answer you gave.

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You know how real estate is all about "location location location" ?? Well I reckon killing is all about "distance distance distance" aka "range range range"

beyond that, George Carlin [RIP] once pointed out that you could technically kill someone with a Sunday newspaper if you were properly motivated! Damn I miss that old geezer way too often!

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Ok. A single human being. I'm assuming now you'll tell .even I should have surmised that were talking about a ranged combat of someone aware of the impending attack.
Fine. With enough skill and proper ammunition and we'll placed shots a gun can be efficient. But by these definitions, rat poison is very efficient. You can drop a box in someone's dinner and it's over. A knife is also quite efficient. Can I swipe at someone's throat and kill someone with a knife easily? Yeah, knives can be efficient. I can be efficient with my car. I mean, really there's plenty of weapons that could be defined as efficient if you assume one person, skilled operator, and the opportunity to deliver the blow.

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Oh and by the way when you ask a question of efficiency, you're asking a comparative question... efficiency is a question of relevancy. Efficient relative to what?

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It doesn't need to be comparative.

ef·fi·cient
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adjective
(especially of a system or machine) achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense.
"fluorescent lamps are efficient at converting electricity into light"
(of a person) working in a well-organized and competent way.
"an efficient administrator"
synonyms: organized, methodical, systematic, logical, orderly, businesslike, streamlined, productive, effective, cost-effective, labor-saving More
preventing the wasteful use of a particular resource.
suffix: -efficient
"an energy-efficient heating system"

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It's really silly you are even debating this. Why do you own guns for home and self defense?

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Yes. I have home defense guns.
I believe that as a skilled operator with significant experience across a variety of weapons makes that tool more efficient in my hands than it does, say, my wife's hands who has little experience with weapons and in whose hands at this point the firearm is more dangerous to her than her assailant. That's something you're completely missing as well, and something that I've brought up several times, the sky of the operator is a significant if not the most significant variable in this discussion.

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Of course it's the most significant, but like I said several times as well it also isn't relevant. You aren't going to blame a tool for someone using it incorrectly. A grill is a pretty efficient way to cook a steak, so I'm not going to say it's not just because some people blow themselves and their food up while grilling.

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When did Darkside become a nutter?

We're not trying to steal your guns, man. You can admit that it is pretty easy to kill people with guns. If someone said to me...Eric, we need you to kill someone. I'd respond with "please get me a gun."

EVEN as someone less experienced with guns...I know this is my best route. I'm not trying to fuck around with a howitzer.

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It's good to know you wouldn't respond with "why?". I will keep this in mind next time I conspire to kill someone.

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Yeah I know you're not tying to steal my guns. Why did that even come up?

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Ok now we're getting more specific. Finally.
I will readily agree that a gun, in the hands of a skilled operator, with opportunity, is an efficient way to kill someone.
Would you readily agree in return that very few individuals can be so considered skilled operators? I mean I go to ranges all the time dude and it's amazing to me how many people cannot hit center mass at 15 feet. I mean like most people.
If you're not hitting center mass or a brain pan with a gun the chances of lethality with a gun is quite low.

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If you felt unthreatened, you'd easily be able to admit guns are an easy, efficient way of committing murder.

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Maybe in a movie.
Maybe if you sneak up on someone in which case just about anything could be an efficient tool.
If you think that hitting a moving target at more than 10 feet with a handgun is easy, or that opportunity with a rifle or shotgun is easy then I'd say no.
But yeah I'd agree that if you know what you're doing and you can sneak up on someone sure a gun is efficient.

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