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312player

Post subject: Re: Baez for a SP before the end of Spring Training?

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leashyourkids wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

312player wrote:

He's the best defensive 2nd baseman I've seen on the Cubs or Sox in my lifetime.

Baez is not better than Ryno. Yet.

Matches, you are crazy.

I know I missed Sandberg pre 89 ish , but I just never thought he had a great glove or range. They give GG's out to the best offensive player at each position unless they are a real butcher.

http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post ... gs-defense

Back in the day, fewer errors played into it which tells very little.

Bill James credits Sandberg with zero gold gloves.

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Post subject: Re: Baez for a SP before the end of Spring Training?

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:15 pm

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Would it be fair to say " Bo Jackson is one of the best runningbacks I've ever seen"?

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Caller Bob

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Gordan Beckham was one of the best 1st to 3rd runners I have ever seen, in my timezone, or whatever timezone you may been in.

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312player

Post subject: Re: Baez for a SP before the end of Spring Training?

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leashyourkids wrote:

Would it be fair to say " Bo Jackson is one of the best runningbacks I've ever seen"?

Sure, if ya never seen any backs bust 1k yards before.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Baez for a SP before the end of Spring Training?

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:20 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Matches Malone wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

Maybe because nobody else on the team can seamlessly switch between 2nd, 3rd and SS?

Theo told me that all of his minor league ss could play any other position besides catcher and pitcher just a couple
Of years ago

You seem to listen to a lot of Theo.

Im getting in on the ground floor of his presidential
Campaign

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Matches Malone

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

312player wrote:

He's the best defensive 2nd baseman I've seen on the Cubs or Sox in my lifetime.

Baez is not better than Ryno. Yet.

Matches, you are crazy.

Baez is miles ahead of Ryno as far as playing defense.

Miles ahead.

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leashyourkids

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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:41 pm

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Luol Deng had a better career than Derrick Rose, but 2011 Derrick Rose was a better player than Luol Deng ever was.

If you agree with this statement, then Matches' argument isn't as crazy as some of you are making it out to be.

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Scooter

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Matches Malone wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

312player wrote:

He's the best defensive 2nd baseman I've seen on the Cubs or Sox in my lifetime.

Baez is not better than Ryno. Yet.

Matches, you are crazy.

Baez is miles ahead of Ryno as far as playing defense.

Miles ahead.

Sandberg knew defensing positioning. Never had to move much. Back then shifting was not a thing. The guys knew where to be.

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Caller Bob

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Ryno couldn't satisfy his wife

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Darkside

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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:45 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Would it be fair to say " Bo Jackson is one of the best runningbacks I've ever seen"?

Yeah if you never saw Sanders, Peyton, Faulk and Holmes play.

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Elmhurst Steve

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Scooter wrote:

Matches Malone wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

312player wrote:

He's the best defensive 2nd baseman I've seen on the Cubs or Sox in my lifetime.

Baez is not better than Ryno. Yet.

Matches, you are crazy.

Baez is miles ahead of Ryno as far as playing defense.

Miles ahead.

Sandberg knew defensing positioning. Never had to move much. Back then shifting was not a thing. The guys knew where to be.

I'll bet that if Baez had the opportunity to play 2B every day, you would find that he would have more chances/putouts than Sandberg ever had. His range is vastly superior, as is his arm.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:07 am

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leashyourkids wrote:

Matches statement was not "Loul Deng is the best Bulls guard/forward I have ever seen play." If that was the case, it would be just as crazy.

You guys are nuts. This is not a Cubs Sox thing. This is a sane vs insane thing. So far the only sane Cubs fan in this debate is Darkside.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Baez for a SP before the end of Spring Training?

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:04 am

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Caller Bob wrote:

Ryno couldn't satisfy his wife

In his defense, she appeared to be insatiable. I've been with a lot of women who started off like that before they met me and let me tell you, they can be a handful.

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Kirkwood

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:10 am

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good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

Russell is the more dependable player. People forget when Baez filled in for Russell once he got a hamstring against the Cardinals. Baez biffed a couple of plays those playoffs.

The cat has more pizzaz but he has more boneheaded plays too.

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leashyourkids

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Kirkwood wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

This. He has mental lapses. Not as bad as Starlin Castro but he still has them. That's his fatal flaw.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Baez for a SP before the end of Spring Training?

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:17 am

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leashyourkids wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

This. He has mental lapses. Not as bad as Starlin Castro but he still has them. That's his fatal flaw.

Now you guys have me confused. He is the best infielder I have ever seen but only over a career, not in a particular season and not in the sense you he would be the person you would most trust in playing the position every day.

You guys are drunk on those tag plays which in reality are as common an occurrence as a balk or HBP.

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:18 am

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good dolphin wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Ryno couldn't satisfy his wife

In his defense, she appeared to be insatiable. I've been with a lot of "women" who started off like that before they met me and let me tell you, they can be a handful.

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leashyourkids

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:19 am

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good dolphin wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

This. He has mental lapses. Not as bad as Starlin Castro but he still has them. That's his fatal flaw.

Do you generally attribute statements from a single person to an entire group of people?

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good dolphin

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:21 am

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leashyourkids wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

This. He has mental lapses. Not as bad as Starlin Castro but he still has them. That's his fatal flaw.

Do you generally attribute statements from a single person to an entire group of people?

I am being conservative in my approach as Matches has proven to be the most rational of the group

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good dolphin wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If he is the best defensive infielder we have ever seen and a better hitter than Addison tha ol merlot joe must not be a great manager for
Starting the inferior player.

This. He has mental lapses. Not as bad as Starlin Castro but he still has them. That's his fatal flaw.

Do you generally attribute statements from a single person to an entire group of people?

I am being conservative in my approach as Matches has proven to be the most rational of the group

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good dolphin

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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:12 am

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I think I will take the most pleasure in Baez' slide back to mediocrity this year

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Caller Bob

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Thankfully, all of your baseball predictions wind up being wrong

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Darkside

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Great play to close out tonight's game.

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Elmhurst Steve

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good dolphin wrote:

I think I will take the most pleasure in Baez' slide back to mediocrity this year

Be prepared for more disappointment. The best is yet to come with Baez.

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good dolphin

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:02 am

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Darkside wrote:

Great play to close out tonight's game.

2 errors

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pittmike

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good dolphin wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Great play to close out tonight's game.

2 errors

Don't you know it is because he "gets" to more balls silly?

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good dolphin wrote:

I think I will take the most pleasure in Baez' slide back to mediocrity this year

Recognizing mediocrity is one thing Sox fans are familiar with I'll give you that.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:31 am

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Yeah. We see it a lot in this section.

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good dolphin wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Great play to close out tonight's game.

2 errors

Leading the league.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/stats/play ... alifying-1

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badrogue17 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

I think I will take the most pleasure in Baez' slide back to mediocrity this year

Recognizing mediocrity is one thing Sox fans are familiar with I'll give you that.

You'll give me much more than that

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