I must say that, when talking baseball, JORR and Frank are strange bedfellows (for me).

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Save this discussion for the day after the trade deadline. At least one trade with a decent return will happen.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm only speaking for myself in this thread and all threads.

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Collin McHugh of the Astros has been shut down for six weeks with a posterior impingement of his right elbow.

Gary Sanchez and Greg Bird of the Yankees both were hurt in a game recently.

Frazier and Quintana will have value as teams deal with more injuries.

If there isn't a deal at the deadline, then FF has a point.

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If there is only one deal at the deadline then I believe I have won this argument. If they move Melky, Frazier, and Robertson before the deadline I will concede.

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What should they do now?

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That's fair.

If there isn't more than 1 deal before the deadline, it's a half-assed "rebuild". If there is more than 1 deal, they are committed to their plan.

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Trade Frazier and Robertson now to eliminate the risk of them getting hurt or being terrible and getting nothing for them.

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That is complete nonsense. You haven't the slightest idea what value any of them will have at the deadline.

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I don't know why you would think that. It's not really that difficult. You take into account their age, talent, and contract, and then take into account the scarcity of their position and what players of similar value have brought in deals over the past couple years.

I'm starting to think you don't have the slightest idea what their value is. You're all over the place in this thread. A page ago you were saying we were overestimating the return these guys will bring in. I responded by saying it won't be a good return either way, and now all of a sudden you're implying that they WILL bring in a good return by waiting until the deadline.

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Where it gets tricky is if they are surprise contenders. You have an 80 year old owner who is a guy who was crucified for the "White Flag" trade. But I think the fans are in a different place with the Cubs coming off a World Series and the Sox mired in mediocrity than they were when the "White Flag" deal was made. As a fan I wouldn't want them to abandon the rebuild to chase a one game Wild Card, but if they somehow have a realistic shot at winning the division, I think you have to go for it. You only get so many chances.

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I didn't imply that, but you can certainly make it up if you wish. They are, however, LIKELY to have more value at the deadline, and it has nothing to do with their performance. It's because contenders will have specific needs at the deadline that these guys may be capable of filling. There's the possibility that they will suck and have very little value, too, but that's much less likely, and you're not going to get much for them now anyway.

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Agreed. Aside from the one-game play-in which dramatically lowers odds, once you get in, you have a decent shot.

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Yes I'm going on the assumption that the Sox will be terrible.

If by some miracle Ricky "Raw Deal" Renteria has them in the hunt for the division that changes things.

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I will admit I have no idea what their value is or what it will be at the deadline. I assume it isn't enough now to make it worth trading them. But I think the ages and contracts are irrelevant. The guys we're talking about, if they can be traded, will be traded to teams who want them for three months. I'm pretty sure Melky's bat is better than at least a few outfielders on teams that will be in contention.

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You're saying it's more likely that Robertson increases his value than decreases it. I don't agree with you.

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When I said contract I was thinking specifically of Robertson and Quintana. With Robertson, you're gonna have to eat some of that salary if you want to maximize the prospect you get in return. With Quintana, obviously the contract is one of the more appealing features of a potential trade.

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Melky has strong leadership (much stronger than Frazier) intangibles and the Sox system is pretty much void of good corner OF prospects. I have no problem keeping Melky around and re-signing him. I also dont have a problem with trading him. Same applies to Abreu except I am way more in favor of keeping him around because I like him as a person and a player and the Sox will need some continuity.

The rest need to go. That is Frazier, Robertson, Jones, Jennings and most of all Quintana. Really these guys should all have been gone already. Its Miguel Gonzalez, Derek Holland and James Shields who genuinely fit the "wait until the deadline" mentality because they all would have to put up a few solid months of production before being viable trade pieces. Also they aren't blocking anyone's path to the majors as it wont be until June at least that we see Rey Lopez or Lucas Giolito, the latter could be a long time because of all the work he needs undoing the National's bungling.

I'm also not saying to DFA them, just give them away to anyone who will pay them. I think all four of them at least net a C-level prospects and Quintana (for now) probably gets you a decent headliner with a couple others. But if I'm wrong and some of them are totally worthless then fuck it, just give them away so other guys get playing time.

You said put them on waivers, which basically means DFA. That is absolutely idiotic.

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It doesn't mean that at all

Lyin leash at it again!

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See: Washington Nationals

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Not to get off topic of the White Sox having a secret plan to trade Sale and not rebuild, buy Moncada homered last night. Hopefully this is enough to convince some teams he is a prospect, so that the Sox can trade him for a veteran pitcher or something.

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Charlotte is scoring like 15 runs a game.

0/4 w 3 K's today. Long way to go.

Good thing you see this. MANY Cannot.

So are many minor leauge teams

OMG.....you cannot seriously be entertaining the idea that the White Sox may contend for their division THIS YEAR? No chance. Even talking about IF......is silly. That team is not going to finish .500 , much less contend with the Indians. Nor should they try to, as the rebuild should be the only focus, with long term goals the priority, rather than short term hallucinations.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Because he had one bad game? Cubs fans rooting for this guy to fail are pathetic.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Which ones would those be?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?