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Don't forget that Drew Gooden played at a winning program in college. He will join Duhon, Deng, Hinrich, Gordon and the other college hall of famers that will lead us to the promised land.


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Don't forget that Drew Gooden played at a winning program in college. He will join Duhon, Deng, Hinrich, Gordon and the other college hall of famers that will lead us to the promised land.


I bet if they could have, Paxson would have asked for Collison too to get the band back together.


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Sounds like the Bulls also get former Illinois Mr. Basketball Shannon Brown


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Sounds like the Bulls also get former Illinois Mr. Basketball Shannon Brown


Great - another tweener guard! Just what the roster needs!


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I like this deal for several reasons:

1. You get rid of the declining production of Ben Wallace

2. I like the addition of a low post scorer like Drew Gooden who in the right situation is a legit double double threat.

3. While I don't like Hughes on the offensive end, his defense is very good.

4. I think Cedric Simmons can develop into a decent power forward in the league.

5. You know allow Joakim Noah and Aaron Gray to get more time this year to develop to determine your needs in the draft next year.

Other than that, the deal sucks :-)


Don't mistake activity for accomplishment! Just a player shuffle to show us that Pax knows how to use the phone.


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You should purchase the site, Vince. I'm sure the trend will continue.

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You should purchase the site, Vince. I'm sure the trend will continue.


Isn't worth that much - I'll just send a query to take it over. :-)


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Positives :
Younger, Dumped a bad contract (Wallace),


Negatives :
Lost Adrian Griffin, acquired a bad contract (Hughes), more terrible facial hair (Gooden), more headaches for asst. coaches (Hughes - Gooden).


This trade made us just as average as we were before the trade. Two thumbs sideways for this trade. It bores me.

This dunk from Shannon Brown is arousing...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-K-X-OxMJz8

That said, I'm glad I'm not a Cav's fan.... they got hosed.


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Wallace AND Griffin gone. Who are going to be the leaders on this team now? Who's going to call the player only meetings? Who's going to go to the coach and ask for a longer suspension for a teammate? :wink:


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Well, you got two guys who combined are averaging 25 and 12, compared to BW's 5 and 9.

Contract wise it makes you wonder, but whatever, at least they did something, and got BW out of town. I wasn't expecting them to do anything.

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Hughes and Wallace are equal contracts. Hughes is younger and I think he's less shitty than Wallace.

It doesn't make the Bulls great obviously. I'm still glad they made the deal. Wallace was a lazy and moody. I think he was a cancer. I'll bet Hughes is more tradable in the off season than Wallace would be.

If you have to keep him he's still more valuable than Wallace.


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..... I'll bet Hughes is more tradable in the off season than Wallace would be.
If you have to keep him he's still more valuable than Wallace.


Good point


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It's pretty apparent that Pax will either quit or be asked to quit when the Bulls are statistically eliminated. Who do you think will be a good GM to bring in?


Hello Larry Brown!!!
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You're the next contestant on "Fuck the Bulls fans"

The're your new coach & GM.

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Hughes and Wallace are equal contracts. Hughes is younger and I think he's less shitty than Wallace.

It doesn't make the Bulls great obviously. I'm still glad they made the deal. Wallace was a lazy and moody. I think he was a cancer. I'll bet Hughes is more tradable in the off season than Wallace would be.

If you have to keep him he's still more valuable than Wallace.

Addition by subtraction, I say. I couldn't be more disappointed than I am with Wallace. Hughes at least has an upside; there's at least the potential for him to add something. Wallace was just holding the team back, IMO.

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Paxson's on comcast sportsnite. He's pleased with himself right now.


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Great now we got 6'3" hinrich, 5'10" gordon, 6'0" hughes, 6'0" duhon...and dont give me the media guide stats on them, its a lie and everyone knows it...I see these guys all the time working right next to berto, Im 6'0 on a good day and none of those guys are much taller than me, and gordon IS shorter, no doubt there. Still no big presence, a bust in draft picks, a lame coach, WTF???? This really sucks. Core, bwah, what a joke. Should have bet the farm on Kobe, look at Lakers. We could have got Kobe and Gasol and Garnett!!! Wow this town is doomed. Bear will be 4-12 with LUUUUUVEEEE, Cubs well nough said about them, Sox will get buried in the AL, and Bulls are back to lottery picks. Pretty bad, 3rd largest market and we are stuck with football in a can....Go Rush!


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Great now we got 6'3" hinrich, 5'10" gordon, 6'0" hughes, 6'0" duhon

I'll disregard the rest of your "sky is falling" rant and just say that Larry Hughes is 6'5", not 6'0".

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I agree. I said it earlier. Trading Hughes in the offseason will be easier than trading Wallace if they so desire.

If not, you say good-bye to Gordon in a sign and trade possibly. Then the bulls have a true big 2 guard in Hughes.

It was a good trade. It's not a trade that makes the Bulls champs. Pax got the best back he possibly could for a piece of shit like Wallace. So it's good.


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I like this trade for both teams.
Wallace wore out his welcome here, but will do just fine playing 25 minutes in Cleveland where he'll allow for more rest for Z's bad wheels.
The Cavs now have a real PG in West (10+ ppg. & 5+ apg.) and a better spot up shooter in Wally world, who can just camp out for LeBron's kick outs.
The only loss for them is Gooden vs. Smith and that's close to a wash.
At least short term, this helps the Cavs compete in the East.

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I'm Ok with the trade, but why do some of you think Hughes will be easier to trade now? He makes the same amount of money for the same amount of years- horrible contract

What team is going to be interested in him and for what reason? The only scenario I can think of is if he plays really well and boosts his value, but I can't really see that happening. Sure as his contract nears the end it will have a good value as an expiring deal, but so would Wallace's


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i was watching some other boards and people were up in arms about trading Joe Smith. I just don't get it. I know he's been pretty consistent, but now the Bulls get a chance to see what Noah and Thomas can do and determine if they are the long term answers. The Bulls just got a ton younger ion this deal with adding two second/third year players.


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i was watching some other boards and people were up in arms about trading Joe Smith. I just don't get it. I know he's been pretty consistent, but now the Bulls get a chance to see what Noah and Thomas can do and determine if they are the long term answers. The Bulls just got a ton younger ion this deal with adding two second/third year players.


Smith is a good player to have on a contending team. He would be a good fit on a team like the Spurs, Mavs, etc. I think he will be a good fit in Cleveland too. But he's not someone to have as a 3rd or 4th option on a rudderless team.

Sometimes I still can't believe he was a #1 overall pick


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Baku wrote:
Hawkeye Vince wrote:
i was watching some other boards and people were up in arms about trading Joe Smith. I just don't get it. I know he's been pretty consistent, but now the Bulls get a chance to see what Noah and Thomas can do and determine if they are the long term answers. The Bulls just got a ton younger ion this deal with adding two second/third year players.


Smith is a good player to have on a contending team. He would be a good fit on a team like the Spurs, Mavs, etc. I think he will be a good fit in Cleveland too. But he's not someone to have as a 3rd or 4th option on a rudderless team.

Sometimes I still can't believe he was a #1 overall pick

And that Minnesota basically screwed the franchise to sign him


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The Bulls got a quality player in Gooden and a good player in Hughes. Hughes has been playing very well lately and he isn't old and over the hill.


What happened to Hughes? I can remember him as a top-level player when he was paired with Arenas in Washington. Has he been injured? Did he not jell with Lebron? Is he likely to regain his old form with a change of scenery?


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I'm Ok with the trade, but why do some of you think Hughes will be easier to trade now? He makes the same amount of money for the same amount of years- horrible contract

What team is going to be interested in him and for what reason? The only scenario I can think of is if he plays really well and boosts his value, but I can't really see that happening. Sure as his contract nears the end it will have a good value as an expiring deal, but so would Wallace's


IMO it's simple. He can play basketball and Wallace can't. If you have watched him since he has been healthy over the past couple months he has been consistently good. If he can continue playing the same way this might be a huge steal and it could increase his trade value. Teams love players that can play basketball. I'm not sure why the Cavs wanted Wallace.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/325 ... BKdT.kvLYF


I'm not sure...I'll grant you that I'd rather have him than Wallace for the already stated reasons

But I'm not sure I'd say he's consistently good...look at the game log, his shooting is all over the place- 50/60% one night, then 30. Yes he's scoring but he has to put up a lot of shots to do so. If he was shooting that consistently Cleveland wouldn't have given him up, that's precisely what they need to space the floor more for LeBron and was the reason they picked up Wally World.


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This isn't the 80's when great players would shoot over 50% from the field. In this era it's ok to shoot 40% as long as you end the game with a high point total. Allen Iverson is the best example of this.


Hughes' FG% has dropped the last 3 years to 37.7% this year. Iverson's have actually improved, he's shot 45% & 44% the last few years. I know you can't possibly be trying to compare to Hughes to Iverson, but if Hughes were just a spot up shooter, I might agree with you that 40% is OK, but the fact that a lot of his game is driving and slashing as well, 37% is horrible. Iverson also got those totals up shooting a bad % with Philly because he was pretty much the only scoring option. Hughes is going to be with plenty of players now who take a lot of shots- Gordon, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc. So we're going to have some guy shooting 3-10 most nights, he'll probably average ~10 pts & 3 rebounds. Great.


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Looks like Nas has found his new Chicago sports mancrush. Goodbye Rex Grossman. Hello Larry Hughes!

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I guess I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, Nas. Are you saying Hughes is a good shooter because 40% is considered OK?

I've conceded I'd rather have Hughes than Wallace, I'm not arguing against that


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Looks like Nas has found his new Chicago sports mancrush. Goodbye Rex Grossman. Hello Larry Hughes!


Not really. I think Hughes is a good player that was slowed by injuries and never had the chance to jell with LeBron. IMO it started to happen over the past couple months and the Cavs cut the cord. Something tells me if you ask most GM's would they rather have Wallace and Smith or Gooden and Hughes the next 2 years there would be 29 GM's that would take Gooden and Hughes over Wallace and Smith.


I think Hughes is better than having Ben Wallace on the Bulls. I think Wallace could work out well in Cleveland just like I think Shaq could work out well with the Suns. A change of venue is sometimes needed.

I do however fully expect to dislike Larry Hughes until he is gone from Chicago, hopefully with locker room issues.

We traded crap for crap. Arguing which crap is slightly better doesn't matter much. I don't think we upgraded our team by this trade. We added two decent parts that will be gone sooner rather than later.

An expiring contract is an expiring contract. As Keith Van Horn showed, the player doesn't really matter.

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