That's ridiculous

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It doesn't matter what the intent is. If I decide ketchup = derogatory term for polish people and yell "you fucking ketchup" at you, I doubt it would have the impact intended. If you think that analogy is ridiculous, then I would expect you to change your mind about cracker and honkey.

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@ ketchup

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It's really not.

Someone calling leash a fucking burrito and calling ltg a fucking n***er today both are meant to degrade them.

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What about "dork"?

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That's just dumb.

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So it's history and not intent that makes the word offensive?

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See my post above. Intent isn't really all that relevant. You can't admit that no word has the same historical connotation as n***** and then at the same time say any slur is equal to it.


And let's also cut this bullshit of "the ability of the target to cope with the slur" shit. Words have meanings and historical connotations attached to them. It's fucking ridiculous to say that a black man being more upset about being called n***** is more sensitive and has less thick skin than me shrugging off someone calling me a Mic because Im irish.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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IMU is our friend, and I will defend his honor.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

dolphin frequently calls me a "hayseed". Next time he does, I'm going to contact the NAAHP.

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No, it's you saying that all derogatory terms are the same and then saying it's "dumb" when I give you an example of a derogatory word that doesn't fit that narrative. If you don't think "dork" equals "n*****", then all derogatory terms aren't the same.

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Cry more.

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I accept your apology.

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No apology.

No surrender.

burrito leash.

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Ok. Then it is your opinion that the multiple more modern slurs for an African American are more acceptable.

If I thought ketchup was symbolic of a horrible stereotype we would have to odds. On the other hand if I thought it was just a recognition that I was from
Ketchupland, we
Would be fine

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And men have lost their reason.

Careful ... they'll be very short with you.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

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So if I called you a "lamp" and you found that offensive, I would be an asshole. But if I called you a no-good, piece of shit, dumb "p-word", and you were okay with that, I'm in the clear? These are interesting rules you live by.

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/ ... story.html

Fenway Park fans had just cheered Orioles center fielder Adam Jones, who, the night before, was the target of a racial slur and a bag of peanuts hurled by a Boston fan. A Kenyan woman finished singing the national anthem, and Hennick basked in the unity of that song, sung by a woman of color, a moment of hope after the disturbing episode the night before.

And then it happened. A middle-aged white man, wearing a Red Sox hat and T-shirt, leaned over to Hennick and used a racial slur to describe the woman’s rendition of the anthem.

Once Hennick notified team security, the man who uttered the epithet was ejected and barred for life from Fenway. Team officials said the lifetime ban appears to be highly unusual, if not unprecedented. Red Sox president Sam Kennedy called Hennick on Wednesday to apologize for what happened, according to Sox spokeswoman Zineb Curran. And Hennick said the Boston Police Department’s civil rights division contacted him to discuss the episode.

This surely won't end in absurdity.

Seems like you're vacillating between intent is all that matters and intent + historical/cultural connotation matters.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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If I pulled up to your dirt farm in my Range Rover and said that to you while whiling the shit offf
My do do skinned shoes you would be angry. But here you know I have proper
Respect for your urbanity and intelligence you know the intent is not to offend

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Okay... knowing that I respect you enough here to entertain your Cub thoughts and occasionally PM you legal questions, would you not be offended if I called you the "p-word"?

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Are we living in bizarro world? That is the position you are taking, not me

If you called me a lamp with malicious intent we would have a disagreement. If you called me the other stuff as a friend we would be ok...just as it happens between friends every day

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No. It happens here all the time with me doing nothing than making a joke to management

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OK. Have a good night - I'm out of arguing energy. I just want to say that I don't see how "hayseed" and "Polack" (said it!) are different according to your own rules. But it never crossed my mind to even be offended about being called "derogatory" terms for rural people. And I certainly wouldn't compare them to the "n-word."

Good night.

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Just so everyone is clear on this I have never once private messaged to have anything removed. You all have seen everything I have said on the topic, just in case I was being portrayed as someone who is regularly taking offense

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But your perception of it is not the standard, otherwise I could call people who have never heard a word by that name with no immorality on my part

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But here is where you are wrong, no one is denying history or the unacceptability of the word. However a punch in the gut is felt the same by everyone

And it's difficult for me to believe that you who claims the greatest offense doesn't understand that

It's not like you can say "hey you only stole 1% of my soul with that word"

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Of course, but intent can't be the standard either because it's impossible to measure intent. That's why it's all subjective and historical context matters, as does the emotions it conjures of those who are impacted.

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Then my reality is just as valid as yours and my level of offense can be just as equal

Should I be more offended when a German or Russian calls me a polock because of their history of cultural genocide of my people? Of course not

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