I'm a smart fan. The dude has made mistakes.

There is nothing to be gained from blind optimism or bad analysis.

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It certainly looks like Quintana's value is going up by the minute.

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Why is everyone acting like the Sox should send Quintana to the Cubs? Last year sure, but the Flubs don't have the prospects today to buy Quintana. They sent them all the guys I would want to NY for 3 months of Chapman.

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It would certainly take a lot, but Eloy Jimenez and Ian Happ would be a good starting point.

I don't think Quintana is going to be traded.

That's too much already

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It wouldn't be enough. Not nearly enough.

It would be a top prospect and an MLB player.

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Go with Eddie Butler then. #That'sCub

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You sound like a complete turd with that statement.

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Then I'll be a turd. What joy is there in being a homer?

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I told you it was a joke. There is no need to come save the day as Mr. Analytical fan.

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After reading this earlier I was listening to W&S while at the gym. The idea there from them and listeners is the Cubs will get a big pitcher by the trade deadline. My question is why is that assumed? And how do they do it?

The trade market is pretty much made and any team will have to give up a load to gain top pitching this year. Are the Cubs really going to give up 3-4 prospects for this year's run? Q would be more than this year but other pitchers are not.

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Someone is going to get Quintana and it won't be the Cubs. Not because Hahn won't deal with them, but because the Cubs can't afford what other teams will be able to offer

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That is my thought. And Cub fans better start thinking long and hard about what they will want to pay for pitching.

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Cease + Candelario + two lesser prospects gets you Quintana right now. No way anyone gives up anything on the level of Happ or Jimenez for him now. A couple low end t100 guys and lottery tickets will do it, and even that might be an overpay. Quintana looks like shit.

Uh, no it doesn't.

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Well right, I suppose because Hahn won't do that deal. They'll let Quintana just fade into a fringe starter before they "settle". I should have said that package is what Quintana is worth right now.

Quintana has been good recently. Sub 3.00 ERA in his last 4 starts, .640 OPS against, 27 K's in 25 innings.

America is wrong once again.

Quintana gets you either Happ or Jimenez as the centerpiece of a deal.

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So Jorr and Frank say Happy and Jimenez plus couple toss in guys.

America says Candelario plus Cease and couple toss in guys.

IMU says Happy or Jimenez and couple toss in guys.


I like Darvish but he's a FA in 6 months and will be looking to get paid an absurd amount of dough. So I say Cueto or Quintana, For Q I would never give up Happ and Jimenez, for Sale yes, not for Quintana who's a nice #3.

I'd give up Jimenez and Cabdelario for Cueto.

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It all depends on winning a championship. What the Cubs gave up for Chapman was nothing vs winning the WS.

Except Quintana's baseline performance the last couple of years would be tops among all Cubs rotation starters this year. Yeah, it's a bit unfair to compare Quintana's performance over the last couple of years to how the current rotation is performing, but outside of Hendricks' insane BABIP run (which he isn't replicating by the way), the only talent that exceeds Quintana's is Lester. Quintana is a #2 in the Cubs's rotation, maybe a #1A as Lester ages and Arrieta continues to falter.

Jimenez is the only bona fide top-25 prospect in this hypothetical deal, Happ is resting somewhere outside the top-50 on a few different lists. That's reasonable for Quintana, considering Sale's trade set the market for Aces at two top-25 prospects+.

Cubs fans apparently fail to realize that acquiring top-flight pitching talent is going to hurt the prospect stockpile. It's supposed to hurt.

A maybe-top-50 prospect and a guy that projects to high leverage relief at best for Johnny motherfucking Cueto?

And these same people gave Julie shit for her "The Cubs would be interested in Mike Trout" tweet.

Happ is rising in scouts estimation. Still, you read about him and he sounds like a less powerful and lower OBP version of Schwarber.

Jimenez is in A ball and hasn't played a game this season.

I don't know what Quintana brings, but when you compare these two to other talent that has been leaked, the Cub offer would not look nearly as good. Other teams supposedly have offered high performing AAA players with ETA of 2017.

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The Cubs' farm system and player development has a reputation of churning out some MLB hitters, though. The only bust so far is Schwarber.

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Frank did not say this. Frank said those two guys would not be nearly enough for Quintana.

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Carmen says he would take Jimenez, Almora and Cease for Quintana, without question.

Huebner says no.

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Right, which brings us to the issue of organizational bias. Each player is an independent entity. While some systems may traditionally be better at fostering certain abilities, the player has skills that must exist irrespective of employer. This is especially true when that player is scouted for a trade.

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I don't think they want anyone playing at the MLB level. Also, they would have to throw in a low level lottery ticket type if the trade was to match what Hahn appears to be seeking.

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The Cubs system is better at recognizing and fostering said abilities. Theo and Jed can. be. trusted.*

*Except as it relates to Kyle Chris Shelton Schwarber.

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Serious question... Who was the last reasonably successful position player to come through the White Sox farm system?

They can't be trusted, IMHO. I'll assume the guy from Boston is a Gordon Beckham clone until he proves otherwise.