Semi serious, semi tongue-in-cheek but if they did an entire universe reboot with Whedon at the helm I wouldn't be shocked at this point. I know I'd enjoy, if only for the fact that we could yet again see the Wayne's get gunned down, this time at a shawarma joint.

As bad as Snyder is, there is a big underlying problem with the Justice League that would still be a problem no matter who was directing. the problem is that most of the DC elite heroes have wooden uninteresting personalities and even worse, many of them have the exact same personality. What is the difference in personality between Superman, Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman, Barry Allen and Aquaman? They're all very vanilla, bland boring do gooders with little to no sense of humor. I guess Flash has a bit of a personality, but not much. Bruce Wayne is just as boring, but at least he somewhat differentiates himself from the others in that he is willing to cross lines the others aren't.

Where is the levity and comic relief in the JL? Marvel has personality in spades. Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hulk, even Thor cracks jokes.

I've been saying it forever and I'll say it again....the only chance DC had of injecting some personality into this movie was if they did the unthinkable and went with Guy Gardner as the Green Lantern instead of Hal Jordan. Guy Gardner is basically the only JL hero that has a unique personality. It would've been fun to watch him interact with the straight laced boring members of the team.

This movie is going to suck and not just because Snyder will ruin it like he's ruined every single thing he's touched other than the first 300. The movie will suck because the chemistry between the main players will be non-existent. This movie will basically be the antithesis to Guardians of the Galaxy. I guarantee no one will walk out of JL and use the word "fun" as the first thing that comes to mind.

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You may be right about some things in your post, but I guarantee this film makes more than enough $ to warrant the sequel and expansion of the DCEU even further.

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100% sure Superman is now going to remain dead under Whedon's watch.

LOL


Are you being serious?

SPOILERS!!!










I'm not trying to be snarky, but they've already filmed scenes with Henry Cavill. He was wearing a black Superman suit.

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Also, just so everyone knows CW/DC is separate from the DCEU.

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They really are not doing it the same way as Marvel. Marvel created a bunch of stand alone character and brought them together. We have had 1 standalone film so far. I liked Man of Steel(still cant get over the underwear) and SvB was mediocre. Let us be optimistic about this. I like the more darker gritter stuff, like a Blade or Punisher, but you gotta have an R rating.

Yeah I agree Cashman. If you go into any movie already with negative feelings you aren't going to like what you see. That's why Shakes opinion on anything DC shouldn't be taken seriously.

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IMO, I think the only good thing Disney/Marvel has created is GoTG.


But to be fair, DC has created shit since Batman Returns.


Ok, maybe Lois and Clark.

Whoa there buddy. The DK trilogy. That fits into your dark and gritty request, and all 3 were well done films. Albeit, 3 was a little lacking compared to the Dark Knight, but the DK is a top 5 film for me personally of any genre. It would have been hard to top regardless.

Also, the Director's cut of Watchmen was excellent ImO.

Edit: I do agree tho, if you want to be critical of D/M then you could say the Gotg films, Winter Soldier, and maybe, just maybe that first Avengers film are their Crown Jewels.

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Shit!



Totally forgot.


The Dark Knight was fucking magical!

they really tried their hardest, and i give them credit. i just think "watchmen" is best read and not 'watched'. however, i liked a review i saw that said "if this gets people to read the book, then the film is a success".

there are individual moments that are absolutely brilliant. the opening sequence is masterful. but i think it digresses a bit and strays sometimes...going for that snydergasm slowmo shit and sex scenes that don't add anything.

when i first saw it in the theater, i was mildly let down. since then, i like watching parts of it. the director's cut comes really close but to get someone to sit through all of that, without knowing the source material, is quite a task.

Actually WZ, it did get me to purchase the graphic novel. So mission accomplished. I prefer the nuclear strike over the alien invasion btw.

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i had made a t-shirt a long time ago of one of my favorite panels - "a stronger loving world" from the graphic novel. it's one of my all time favorites. that and "from hell" are my 2 top alan moore graphic novels.

I really think if he didn't make that kiddie porn graphic novel he would be much more publicly revered than he is.

I know the guy is a self proclaimed Warlock, and what not, but I think he has definitely fucked himself at various moments throughout his career.

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Truly one of the best, if not the best, comic writers of all time. The guy took chances when others wouldn't.

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Uh ok.



On the flipside, I would argue that any fanboy who sees these movies the weekend they come out despite awful reviews shouldn't have their opinions taken seriously. Those fanboys always say the movies are good as if they are trying to rationalize and justify their idiotic decision.

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when did I ever say otherwise?

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What was the last comic book film you saw in a movie theater?

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I don't go to the movie theater, bad back. Last movie I saw in the theater was I am Legend and that was a mistake, but I guess that also qualifies as last comic book movie I saw in the theater. But, I would never see any movie opening weekend, that's just a personal preference. I also believe, just like Cubs fans until recent success, people who go to see crappy movies in the theater as soon as they come out are the reason that most of those movies suck. By blindly giving DC and Marvel money you are eliminating any incentive they have to actually make good movies. Why bother if idiot fanboys are going to line up in droves opening weekend no matter what?

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Regardless of box office take, the negative reviews have changed the tone of the DCEU. You'll see it first with WW, and then again with JL.

As someone who hasn't seen a movie in a theater for 10yrs I just don't really see where your complaint has any weight behind it. Like I've stated before, I go to these comic book movies to be mindlessly entertained. Pay $21 for 2 tickets on a Thursday or Friday night is not that big of a hit to my wallet. I enjoy the theater experience.

Btw. Have you tried going to a Marcus Cinema? Their main theater has an ultra screen with stadium seating. You can buy beer, and the leather recliner seats can lean back without anyone's big head obstructing you. It's truly an experience. There are a couple in and around Chicago land if I remember correctly.

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MANY theaters in the area are moving exclusively to the reclining leather seating. It's a nice change.

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I agree. The theater industry needs to keep adding perks if they want to compete with Netflix's of the world.

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You do have a point in that the negative reviews have, at least on the surface, appeared to cause DC to put more effort into their movies. WW looks really good, but not surprising since the actress stole the show in Batman vs Superman.

I've heard about those theaters with the great seats, that might be a good option for me. But it won't solve the other issue I have with movie theaters, not being able to smoke weed in them.

I'm cool with waiting for movies to come to the tv, I've got a really nice home entertainment set up and enjoy having access to a pause button.


And just for the record, I want all these movies to be awesome, I'm not cheering for them to fail. I'm a lifelong comic fan just like you. Also don't have a stake in marvel vs DC, want them both to be great. But as of now, Marvel is destroying DC on that front.

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Agree on all fronts.

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Marvel is staying mainstream which is resulting in "success" Give me Blade over most of these Marvel movies 6 out of 7 days.

The Blade movies were terrible.

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I said Blade not Blade 2 or 3.

the only issue i have with the saturation of comic book movies is that they all follow a really trite formula, regardless of who the hero is and how well written it is. the few exceptions are "captain america: winter soldier" and "the dark knight". that doesn't mean the formulaic ones aren't good ("x2", "spider-man 2", "guardians of the galaxy" series)...but they tend to be extremely predictable.

shakes, "i am legend" isn't a comic book movie. come on. a comic book was adapted at one point but the movie isn't based on that. that'd be like saying "the thing" is a comic book movie.