I don't know. When it was about his privacy being violated I understood. Now that it's about questioning the accuracy of his posts I really don't know.

B-Mac initial post (Don’t blame others for your actions) was spot on and he was immediately attacked.

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Who was he attacked by?

Also, I don't think you can separate the doxxing (sp?) from everything else that transpired. Everything transpired from that.

I also get LTG's point about Chas' hypocrisy, but that's at least board-related.

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You know, this very topic came to mind over the weekend. Beautiful weekend, riding in the 'vette with the top down, Mindy and I on our way to Lou's for some 'za. I'm thinking, you know, there are some good people that get caught up in bad situations. I caught up with my buddy Jeff...kid porn and all, he's still a good guy, great guest. Funny as all get out in Ferris Bueller. Anyway, Jeff said this stuff can ruin your career, but I'd bet he's had a good go of it since this all came out. I mean, Jeff, Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter, Paula Poundstone...great people, uber talented, just a little down on their luck.

Jared...let's get Jeff a MyPillow 2.0. Send one over to Chas, Nas, and Baby McNown, too. And maybe a Lou's gift card for all to get together and have a Pizza Summit.

Back to the phones.

I don't think anyone has defended Chas or asked anyone else to defend him. It seems to me that leash is questioning the motivations of MANY for bashing and piling on Chas. It seems that it is being spun by some as a sort of public service. STONE THE PEDOPHILE! When in reality it is just the same old bashing of Chas (which admittedly has often been deserved) masquerading as a noble cause.

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Very well said ... typed ... whatever.

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Maybe we should place chas in a bubble? He's clearly being defended. I defended him when his privacy was violated last time. I was torn this time because of what he did and the fact he was trying to meet board members. I understood both sides.

Now that he's posted his version of events I don't understand the attacks on others for questioning the accuracy of his posts or wondering why he isn't remorseful. The continued defense of chas is odd. B-Mac's initial post was right IMO. Chas was blaming others and not accepting responsibility for his actions. To me the post was a cry for sympathy and you and others have provided it. Chas feeds off of it. He always has.

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Sounds like a good reason to stop posting about him.

Why?

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I think Bmac is taking attention away from Chas. Idk if that's his intention.

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That's because MANY choose to pick apart everything he says or does and at the same time say the statements of others is off limits.

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I think Bmac has an obsessive mindset that leads him to "go hard" at the drop of a dime. It's a malformed way of dealing with things as an adult.

Who said certain statements were off limits?

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MANY are.

Here are a few responses to his post:

Chas kudos for coming back with explanation.

That was response was helpful. You didnt't need to do it, but it takes guts to post that

Thanks for sharing chas. I hope you continue to walk a better path.

It took a level of courage to come back here and explain yourself.


Well said denis, well said.

 

Here is B-Mac's response and chas' reply as well as others:

chaspoppcap wrote:

Baby McNown wrote:

Chas. You are not a victim here. Sincerely, everybody.

Really so when I was beat half to death by my father I wasn't? When I was bullied almost every day for my entire grammar school years?
I am not asking for your sympathy but for you to say that shows you have both a lack of empathy for a human being who went through a lot of shit and a lack of understanding of mental health issues.

He simply worded it poorly, but he didn't do it to bash Frank. He did it to point out how messed up some of the labels are. If you weren't looking to pick at every single word he says, you'd realize that.

I don't know man, do you feel better picking on the easiest target here?

He just gave you his side of the story on the heels of his brother dying.

how much fun is it to relentlessly kick around a guy with issues?

McGowan must be a perfect human being.

Baby, my reading of you is you're a left leaning guy. As such, I would expect you to empathize with mental illness. 

You have to understand that the U.S. is still very puritanical. 

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Actually I haven't done that in quite a while, but thanks for reading.

Nas, no one is excusing Chas' behavior. There's just an added wrinkle of empathy with his brother dying. Seems like some posters can evaluate the situation condemning the act, but also empathize with his brother's death at the same time. Others can separate the empathy (or don't have any empathy) of losing a relative from the SO charge completely, and be as insulting as they want. Which is right? Idk. I don't really care. I just need you and Leash to stop arguing so the board equilibrium can balance itself once again.

People pile on Bmac because he brings it on himself. Right or wrong, that's the way it is.

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That was my statement and had nothing to do with Chas's specific situation. I'm not sure what you're trying to defend other than a guy you dislike being slammed on a message board. Go, McNown, go!

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I just wish you extended the grace you're showing Chas to others. You don't always come off as understanding and tolerant of statements made by others. Kudos!

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Speaking of people who address the poster and not the topic.

This may be a controversial stance, but in my world there is absolutely nothing courageous about admitting that you were going to rape a child if you weren't stopped by the police. At the same time listing a laundry list of reasons why it isn't your fault.

To focus on B-Mac is odd and really fucking stupid.

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Chas is a bad poster. He was prior to this and will remain so. I think outing him was a dangerous move going forward for the board. That being said, it doesn't take guts or being brave to come back and post and make excuses for why he "almost" had sex with a 15 year old. You can be disgusted by what he did (almost did) and still think that the doxxing wasn't necessary. We knew he was messed up and a terrible poster before this. Do I personally take a certain grim satisfaction that a pedophile was outed to one of his few social networks....Yeah, I suppose so. I'm sure that says something about my character but it is what it is.

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Yes I agree. Tho my post said nothing about courage. I do still agree.

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I'm not sure who you're talking to. I haven't been very active in this topic at all, let alone expressed any "understanding" of Chas.

But I will say that I have never knowingly contributed to a bash fest of anyone who has the kind of problems Chas has admitted having.

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Well said

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Absolutely, nuance is key here.

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Do we really need to come out and condemn a child predator? Doesn't that go without saying? Do you think JBills or Jorr or I are in favor of pedophilia?

Of course chas trying to make excuses for what he did is stupid, but that's very obvious and it doesn't take 100 different people saying it to make it true. No one here has defended what he did. If they did, they would be justly mocked. What Baby Mcnown does is directly related to the board. He's a terrible poster who can't have an adult conversation without going from zero to one-hundred and throwing out personal insults and piling on. Chas has presumably paid for his actions with the U.S. Justice System. I'm not sure what an idiot like McNown rubbing it in over and over and over on a message board is supposed to accomplish. You would think he would do some self-reflection when he actually manages to make a sex offender seem somewhat sympathetic.

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How does what Hank said conflict with anything I've said in this entire thread?

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Words and tone.

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I think that ends it

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