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I missed the thread. Not understanding what Doc was talking about in his podcast. Cuz he danced around it.

Can somebody tell me in a PM what this doxxing thing was about and who it was about? I won't comment on it on the board.


You'll be sad to learn I cut out about 10 minutes of us talking about drinky's affair being outed on the board.


We briefly touched on how hypocritical it is to be outraged by what happened here, while not being upset that Drinky has had his personal life dragged the mud to the tune of 90+pages, or when somebody announced where Julie's children attend school. Yay, selective outrage!

You probably should have left that in. :lol:


drinky's affair was not outed by a regular board member. Nobody doxxed drinky. A personal acquaintance of his who had NO PRIOR CONNECTION to the board- and none since- came here specifically to post that information.

As far as the school of Julie's children being posted here, I don't remember that and I didn't see it. Perhaps it occurred prior to us taking over. Because I assure you if I had seen it, it would have been deleted immediately and whoever posted it advised not to do that shit.

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I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


What about us being against doxxing didn't you understand?
How do you want us to stop something that is sent privately? You and chas can send each other whatever you want to in a private message and we won't have knowledge of it unless it's shared publicly. Same is true for you all texting one another. If you share it publicly we will delete it.


I guess core concept. Because on the one hand you say "we're against doxxing" and then when people admit to doxxing another board member via PM's you say "we're not going to punish [them], they're not children."

But hey, it's your collective ball, you can do whatever you please with it. You have set the limit at posting it publicly on the board, and I trust you guys to make exceptions to that limit in peculiar circumstances. My question wasn't loaded or rhetorical, I honestly wanted to know whether you guys had had the discussion and where you put the limit. No need to get twatty.
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Chus wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


Definitely not butthurt.


Asking questions = butthurt. Got it.
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So nobody is gonna PM as to what happened?
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JLN, your question has been answered multiple times. Are you saying you want them reading through PMs to make sure everything being sent is ok? That's ridiculous

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


Definitely not butthurt.


Asking questions = butthurt. Got it.

Yes.
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


What about us being against doxxing didn't you understand?
How do you want us to stop something that is sent privately? You and chas can send each other whatever you want to in a private message and we won't have knowledge of it unless it's shared publicly. Same is true for you all texting one another. If you share it publicly we will delete it.


I guess core concept. Because on the one hand you say "we're against doxxing" and then when people admit to doxxing another board member via PM's you say "we're not going to punish [them], they're not children."

But hey, it's your collective ball, you can do whatever you please with it. You have set the limit at posting it publicly on the board, and I trust you guys to make exceptions to that limit in peculiar circumstances. My question wasn't loaded or rhetorical, I honestly wanted to know whether you guys had had the discussion and where you put the limit. No need to get twatty.


I think it's clear where we stand on doxxing. As far as "punishment" is concerned, we don't see this board as "ours" in the same way BigFan did. This board is yours. You seem to be doing a fine job policing it yourself. You got Chus to compare himself to Mussolini.

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drinky's affair was not outed by a regular board member. Nobody doxxed drinky. A personal acquaintance of his who had NO PRIOR CONNECTION to the board- and none since- came here specifically to post that information.


That's splitting hairs a bit, no? A lot of personal stuff about him has been discussed at length in that thread. I'm just saying that if somebody is upset by one, they should probably be upset by the other, or asking for its deletion, as well.


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As far as the school of Julie's children being posted here, I don't remember that and I didn't see it. Perhaps it occurred prior to us taking over. Because I assure you if I had seen it, it would have been deleted immediately and whoever posted it advised not to do that shit.


I'm pretty sure it happened in the last year. It's not your fault. There is no way to catch everything, especially if it isn't specifically brought to your attention, and it's in a 400 page thread.

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So nobody is gonna PM as to what happened?

How do you not have a very good idea of what happened by now? There's a 22 page thread and 16 page thread discussing every facet of the incident in detail :lol:

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JLN, your question has been answered multiple times.


An admin of the site has only made one answer to my question, but OK.

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Are you saying you want them reading through PMs to make sure everything being sent is ok?


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Chus wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
drinky's affair was not outed by a regular board member. Nobody doxxed drinky. A personal acquaintance of his who had NO PRIOR CONNECTION to the board- and none since- came here specifically to post that information.


That's splitting hairs a bit, no? A lot of personal stuff about him has been discussed at length in that thread. I'm just saying that if somebody is upset by one, they should probably be upset by the other, or asking for its deletion, as well.


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As far as the school of Julie's children being posted here, I don't remember that and I didn't see it. Perhaps it occurred prior to us taking over. Because I assure you if I had seen it, it would have been deleted immediately and whoever posted it advised not to do that shit.


I'm pretty sure it happened in the last year. It's not your fault. There is no way to catch everything, especially if it isn't specifically brought to your attention, and it's in a 400 page thread.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


Definitely not butthurt.


Asking questions = butthurt. Got it.


So, you don't like it when somebody takes your response, and puts their own spin on it? Interesting. And you keep asking the same question over and over, even though it has been answered.

Tomorrow, go to Target, and buy the biggest tub of self awareness that they have. Industrial size, if possible.

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So nobody is gonna PM as to what happened?

How do you not have a very good idea of what happened by now? There's a 22 page thread and 16 page thread discussing every facet of the incident in detail :lol:


Because he's beardown and it's not in a thread about Abattacola.


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What exactly are you asking for Juice?
It sounds like you want chus banned or put in the sin bin for a while and you won't rest until he gets one of them. What's the deal? What will it take to get your pound of flesh off of chus?

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Chus wrote:
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drinky's affair was not outed by a regular board member. Nobody doxxed drinky. A personal acquaintance of his who had NO PRIOR CONNECTION to the board- and none since- came here specifically to post that information.


That's splitting hairs a bit, no? A lot of personal stuff about him has been discussed at length in that thread. I'm just saying that if somebody is upset by one, they should probably be upset by the other, or asking for its deletion, as well.


I don't think so. First, drinky is a public figure in a way that most board members aren't. Second, we HAVE deleted specific items that were posted regarding that situation.

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Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


Definitely not butthurt.


Asking questions = butthurt. Got it.


So, you don't like it when somebody takes your response, and puts their own spin on it? Interesting. And you keep asking the same question over and over, even though it has been answered.

Tomorrow, go to Target, and buy the biggest tub of self awareness that they have. Industrial size, if possible.


Are you saying I live near a Target? Be careful, Chus.
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


What about us being against doxxing didn't you understand?
How do you want us to stop something that is sent privately? You and chas can send each other whatever you want to in a private message and we won't have knowledge of it unless it's shared publicly. Same is true for you all texting one another. If you share it publicly we will delete it.


I guess core concept. Because on the one hand you say "we're against doxxing" and then when people admit to doxxing another board member via PM's you say "we're not going to punish [them], they're not children."

But hey, it's your collective ball, you can do whatever you please with it. You have set the limit at posting it publicly on the board, and I trust you guys to make exceptions to that limit in peculiar circumstances. My question wasn't loaded or rhetorical, I honestly wanted to know whether you guys had had the discussion and where you put the limit. No need to get twatty.


I think it's clear where we stand on doxxing. As far as "punishment" is concerned, we don't see this board as "ours" in the same way BigFan did. This board is yours. You seem to be doing a fine job policing it yourself. You got Chus to compare himself to Mussolini.


But I failed to admit any wrong doing in this incident, because I NEVER admit when I'm wrong. :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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drinky's affair was not outed by a regular board member. Nobody doxxed drinky. A personal acquaintance of his who had NO PRIOR CONNECTION to the board- and none since- came here specifically to post that information.


That's splitting hairs a bit, no? A lot of personal stuff about him has been discussed at length in that thread. I'm just saying that if somebody is upset by one, they should probably be upset by the other, or asking for its deletion, as well.


I don't think so. First, drinky is a public figure in a way that most board members aren't. Second, we HAVE deleted specific items that were posted regarding that situation.


I'm not trying to take you to task for anything, I'm just spit-balling.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


Definitely not butthurt.


Asking questions = butthurt. Got it.


So, you don't like it when somebody takes your response, and puts their own spin on it? Interesting. And you keep asking the same question over and over, even though it has been answered.

Tomorrow, go to Target, and buy the biggest tub of self awareness that they have. Industrial size, if possible.


Are you saying I live near a Target? Be careful, Chus.


Everybody lives near a Target.

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Julie and Drinky are public figures.

For the record, I'm not nor ever was calling for a banning or suspension. My initial point was just the WYC factor of Chus' discussion on the podcast when discussing it.

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What exactly are you asking for Juice?
It sounds like you want chus banned or put in the sin bin for a while and you won't rest until he gets one of them. What's the deal? What will it take to get your pound of flesh off of chus?


If I were King? I dunno. Something more definitive than "we're against it", perhaps. Maybe a board admin telling Chus (and accomplice) not to do it again instead of the current raised palms and cries of "we deleted it!" in the face of a board member sharing another board member's mother-fucking-address with people would be nice.
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I'm against doxxing. I was against it when we learned chas likes a thumb up his ass years ago. I spoke out publicly against it and asked BF privately to delete the thread and he did. Same is true for bannings. BF asked me if I wanted chas banned the last time he call me a n-word after I wished him and his family a Merry Christmas. I told him I didn't want anyone banned.

We deleted the link immediately once someone sent me an email about it. We deleted a mult and we all agreed the entire thread should be deleted. We clearly didn't support what was done but there was nothing we could do to prevent the spread of the information.

Because of what he did I wasn't as bothered by it as I was when someone doxxed him for shopping for hookers online. I make no apologies for that either.

We're not going to "punish" Chus or FF. They're not fucking kids. We're not going to punish chas either. That's not a road we're going to go down. What's done is done.

JLN is passionate about playing our conservative Dan Bernstein and about defending child predators. Very disappointing!


So is doxxing permissible via PRIVATE MESSAGE? Just want to understand the ground rules, here.


What about us being against doxxing didn't you understand?
How do you want us to stop something that is sent privately? You and chas can send each other whatever you want to in a private message and we won't have knowledge of it unless it's shared publicly. Same is true for you all texting one another. If you share it publicly we will delete it.


I guess core concept. Because on the one hand you say "we're against doxxing" and then when people admit to doxxing another board member via PM's you say "we're not going to punish [them], they're not children."

But hey, it's your collective ball, you can do whatever you please with it. You have set the limit at posting it publicly on the board, and I trust you guys to make exceptions to that limit in peculiar circumstances. My question wasn't loaded or rhetorical, I honestly wanted to know whether you guys had had the discussion and where you put the limit. No need to get twatty.


I think it's clear where we stand on doxxing. As far as "punishment" is concerned, we don't see this board as "ours" in the same way BigFan did. This board is yours. You seem to be doing a fine job policing it yourself. You got Chus to compare himself to Mussolini.


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What exactly are you asking for Juice?
It sounds like you want chus banned or put in the sin bin for a while and you won't rest until he gets one of them. What's the deal? What will it take to get your pound of flesh off of chus?


If I were King? I dunno. Something more definitive than "we're against it", perhaps. Maybe a board admin telling Chus (and accomplice) not to do it again instead of the current raised palms and cries of "we deleted it!" in the face of a board member sharing another board member's mother-fucking-address with people would be nice.

Don't puss out. I didn't ask what your do if you're king. I asked what you're asking for now. You'veobbied very hard for a response. When you were told you weren't getting a suspension you lobbied harder.
What do you want at this point?

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Definitely not butthurt.

Definitely not.
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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What exactly are you asking for Juice?
It sounds like you want chus banned or put in the sin bin for a while and you won't rest until he gets one of them. What's the deal? What will it take to get your pound of flesh off of chus?


If I were King? I dunno. Something more definitive than "we're against it", perhaps. Maybe a board admin telling Chus (and accomplice) not to do it again instead of the current raised palms and cries of "we deleted it!" in the face of a board member sharing another board member's mother-fucking-address with people would be nice.

It's weird how you often need to have very obvious things spelled out in detail. Deleting the post is a pretty clear message not to do it again.

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drinky's affair was not outed by a regular board member. Nobody doxxed drinky. A personal acquaintance of his who had NO PRIOR CONNECTION to the board- and none since- came here specifically to post that information.


That's splitting hairs a bit, no? A lot of personal stuff about him has been discussed at length in that thread. I'm just saying that if somebody is upset by one, they should probably be upset by the other, or asking for its deletion, as well.


I don't think so. First, drinky is a public figure in a way that most board members aren't. Second, we HAVE deleted specific items that were posted regarding that situation.


I'm not trying to take you to task for anything, I'm just spit-balling.



I know. I'm just pointing out that our policy- in as much as we have one (we run this place in a pretty laissez faire fashion)- isn't inconsistent. I think the question that guys like lipid and JLN have is, do I now have to be concerned about getting in a beef with someone because some information that I would prefer not be presented in this forum may be posted here? That's not quite the same as a discussion about people who make a living speaking over the public airwaves. When JLN makes it big, we'll turn Beardown loose on him.

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