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The use of prisoners, whom society believes have no rights isnt really racist or even oppressive. .


in fact, its expressly supported by the constitution


Correct. When Hillary is involved it somehow becomes a violation of their "Civil Rights". And they wonder why I defend her on some of the bullshit that they spew.

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Hey remember when Black Lives Matter, inexplicably decided to target Bernie Sanders in the primaries

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oh never mind he marched with MLK or was arrested standing up for African American rights
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Yet, not a peep or protest at any Hillary rallies. The black communities love affair with HRC is bewildering.



You must have missed when the Black Lives Matter "leader" confronted her at one of her rallies? I wonder why.



They FINALLY confronted her. But make no mistake, when the primaries started, they had it out for Bernie non stop while leaving Hillary untouched.


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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


Of the people currently bashing CLinton in this thread can you identify one statement that addressed Trump's

1. Housing Discrimination Case

2. His statements and full page ad regarding the Central Park FIve case.

3. His statement issued shortly after they were exonerated. They should still be locked up because they probably had committed other crimes.

4. Allegations by the owners of the beauty pageant. Trump didn't want black contestants in the beauty pageant.

5. Allegations that he would have black workers removed from the Casino floor when he and Ivanka entered the room.


6. Statement that he hated when blacks count his money

7. Look at My African American over there comment

8. Statement that the inner cities are fucked up and blacks are essentially fucked up. What do you have to lose?

9. Birtherism

10. Threats to send in the National Guard with respect to Chicago.

Which one of these issues have you or anyone currently bashing Hillary Clinton addressed with respect to Trump?


Dude, they're both horrible human beings. I don't know what the point is equating them like this. This is like a reverse Beerfan defense mechanism.

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My point about hypocrisy relates to the need to play gotcha games whenever Hillary Clinton is involved, while completely ignoring blatant racism by Donald Trump. There wasn't one damn thread about the overtly racist bullshit of this blithering idiot yet this evokes outrage? Get the hell out of here.


Congratulations. You finally boiled down Hillary Clinton's campaign for President. "I'm not Donald Trump!"


Not about Hillary or Trump it's about the fake outrage by some on here namely the hypocrisy of Curious Hair. I don't recall him ever posting anything about Trump's racism or anyone else's for that matter. Now this is supposed to be what ails him? I guess hatred for Hillary overrides his ambivalence for the plight of blacks. Damn hypocrite.



Do you really think Curious Hair is a Trump supporter? You just have a blind spot when it comes to Hillary Clinton.


MANY around here fall into a category with the Vichy, opportunists and enablers. Even with non Clinton approved chain gangs. :D Imo.


Unfortunately for Clinton supporters, the reality is that the most effective enablers of Trump's neofascism are the champions of neoliberal dogma. That is, neofascism is nothing other than a logical outgrowth of neoliberalism due to the reactionary ideologies austerity measures and the war on the idea of the "common good" breed in the working and lower middle class.

There's also the "small" matter of the Clinton campaign deliberately choosing to "elevate" Trump's candidacy during the Republican primaries to ensure that Trump would be Hillary's opponent in the general election.

One could reasonably argue that the culmination of the Clinton legacy is the Trump era.


Well when the proven successful alternative was an asshole who blew the state's rights :wink: dog whistle to kick off his campaign in Philadelphia, MS or the progressively worse "compassionate conservatives" it was unfortunately the best dog left in those fights.

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she completely missed or didn't address that Clinton lost not one but two national elections in which she was the prohibitive favorite and was stretched in a third (Sanders). It may not have changed her conclusion but it would have added strength and context to her argument.

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My issue is not with them working, but with the Clintons using them as next to nothing paid labor at their mansion. I'm all for giving inmates a glimpse of a productive life, and further developing life skills while in prison. Just not the way the Clintons were doing it.


Isn't the mansion owned by the state and therefore the state is responsible for its upkeep?

Well hey, this opens up the question of how other states maintain their governor's mansions.


In Illinois it's nice to know that a trivial little rich woman and her equally vapid little friends are trying to pay some of their own way to play dress up queen in a restored dump in one of the dullest parts of a generally shitty state.

Well, considering the amount of corruption IL politicians get away with this would be a minor reassurance.

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My point about hypocrisy relates to the need to play gotcha games whenever Hillary Clinton is involved, while completely ignoring blatant racism by Donald Trump. There wasn't one damn thread about the overtly racist bullshit of this blithering idiot yet this evokes outrage? Get the hell out of here.


Congratulations. You finally boiled down Hillary Clinton's campaign for President. "I'm not Donald Trump!"


Not about Hillary or Trump it's about the fake outrage by some on here namely the hypocrisy of Curious Hair. I don't recall him ever posting anything about Trump's racism or anyone else's for that matter. Now this is supposed to be what ails him? I guess hatred for Hillary overrides his ambivalence for the plight of blacks. Damn hypocrite.



Do you really think Curious Hair is a Trump supporter? You just have a blind spot when it comes to Hillary Clinton.


MANY around here fall into a category with the Vichy, opportunists and enablers. Even with non Clinton approved chain gangs. :D Imo.


Unfortunately for Clinton supporters, the reality is that the most effective enablers of Trump's neofascism are the champions of neoliberal dogma. That is, neofascism is nothing other than a logical outgrowth of neoliberalism due to the reactionary ideologies austerity measures and the war on the idea of the "common good" breed in the working and lower middle class.

There's also the "small" matter of the Clinton campaign deliberately choosing to "elevate" Trump's candidacy during the Republican primaries to ensure that Trump would be Hillary's opponent in the general election.

One could reasonably argue that the culmination of the Clinton legacy is the Trump era.



No it isn't. Bill Clinton hasn't been President for 16 years and the two guys that succeeded did very little to change the "Neoliberal dogma" of which you speak. Trump's Presidency has little to do with Hillary Clinton. If Republican voters wanted to stop the guy they could have. They wanted him and they got him. This whole buyers remorse game is pure fallacy because he turned out to be what interested observers knew he was. He defeated 16 candidates and 13 easily were better.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


Of the people currently bashing CLinton in this thread can you identify one statement that addressed Trump's

1. Housing Discrimination Case

2. His statements and full page ad regarding the Central Park FIve case.

3. His statement issued shortly after they were exonerated. They should still be locked up because they probably had committed other crimes.

4. Allegations by the owners of the beauty pageant. Trump didn't want black contestants in the beauty pageant.

5. Allegations that he would have black workers removed from the Casino floor when he and Ivanka entered the room.


6. Statement that he hated when blacks count his money

7. Look at My African American over there comment

8. Statement that the inner cities are fucked up and blacks are essentially fucked up. What do you have to lose?

9. Birtherism

10. Threats to send in the National Guard with respect to Chicago.

Which one of these issues have you or anyone currently bashing Hillary Clinton addressed with respect to Trump?


Dude, they're both horrible human beings. I don't know what the point is equating them like this. This is like a reverse Beerfan defense mechanism.


It's always safe to wrap one's self in the warm blanket of "Hillary's an evil bitch", if only because MANY cucks :lol: say so.

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These were the two worst candidates in my lifetime, and I'm glad I voted for neither. Though it is looking like Trump was the worse pick.

It's not hard to look at politics without choosing a side.

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These were the two worst candidates in my lifetime, and I'm glad I voted for neither. Though it is looking like Trump was the worse pick.

It's not hard to look at politics without choosing a side.

You may want to make it clear that you did vote for someone.

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These were the two worst candidates in my lifetime, and I'm glad I voted for neither. Though it is looking like Trump was the worse pick.

It's not hard to look at politics without choosing a side.

You may want to make it clear that you did vote for someone.



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Hey remember when Black Lives Matter, inexplicably decided to target Bernie Sanders in the primaries

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i remember he stepped aside like a bitch. reason #1 i knew he could never be president.


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These were the two worst candidates in my lifetime, and I'm glad I voted for neither. Though it is looking like Trump was the worse pick.

It's not hard to look at politics without choosing a side.

You may want to make it clear that you did vote for someone.

I'm still an IL resident, and didn't mail my vote in. I was told if I voted for anyone but Trump I wouldn't be allowed in my parent's house, and that kind of extreme excitement about politics really turns me off. I've only voted once in my life, and that was for the Hope and Change Barack that never really panned out.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


He never said no one. At least 1 poster has NEVER criticized the president and does nothing but defend him. It's fair to wonder why.


He said there was not one thread about Trump's racism. I guess you two were too busy posting Bernie is a thief and a liar to start the Trump racist threads though.


Why didn't you start one? Why do black posters need to start them? What he said is true.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


Of the people currently bashing CLinton in this thread can you identify one statement that addressed Trump's

1. Housing Discrimination Case

2. His statements and full page ad regarding the Central Park FIve case.

3. His statement issued shortly after they were exonerated. They should still be locked up because they probably had committed other crimes.

4. Allegations by the owners of the beauty pageant. Trump didn't want black contestants in the beauty pageant.

5. Allegations that he would have black workers removed from the Casino floor when he and Ivanka entered the room.


6. Statement that he hated when blacks count his money

7. Look at My African American over there comment

8. Statement that the inner cities are fucked up and blacks are essentially fucked up. What do you have to lose?

9. Birtherism

10. Threats to send in the National Guard with respect to Chicago.

Which one of these issues have you or anyone currently bashing Hillary Clinton addressed with respect to Trump?


Here is an entire thread on the last topic. viewtopic.php?f=47&t=104672

Nearly everyone of these others have been addressed elsewhere. I am not going to waste time looking them up again. You are being intentionally dishonest, and suggesting that people are racist for not calling out Trump, while going after Clinton.

It's pathetic, and going after Clinton does not mean support for Trump. Especially now that the election is long over.

Again there are hundreds of pages of posts attacking Trump. Wake up.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


He never said no one. At least 1 poster has NEVER criticized the president and does nothing but defend him. It's fair to wonder why.


He said there was not one thread about Trump's racism. I guess you two were too busy posting Bernie is a thief and a liar to start the Trump racist threads though.


Why didn't you start one? Why do black posters need to start them? What he said is true.


People have started them. And if you feel there is a need for more Trump is a racist threads why not start them yourself?

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


He never said no one. At least 1 poster has NEVER criticized the president and does nothing but defend him. It's fair to wonder why.


He said there was not one thread about Trump's racism. I guess you two were too busy posting Bernie is a thief and a liar to start the Trump racist threads though.


Why didn't you start one? Why do black posters need to start them? What he said is true.


People have started them. And if you feel there is a need for more Trump is a racist threads why not start them yourself?


You attacked LTG for his statement and told him he was wrong. You have to prove that.

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These were the two worst candidates in my lifetime, and I'm glad I voted for neither. Though it is looking like Trump was the worse pick.

It's not hard to look at politics without choosing a side.


Me too. I voted for the pot head, which is strange since I never smoked pot.

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One could reasonably argue that the culmination of the Clinton legacy is the Trump era.


Well when the proven successful alternative was an asshole who blew the state's rights :wink: dog whistle to kick off his campaign in Philadelphia, MS or the progressively worse "compassionate conservatives" it was unfortunately the best dog left in those fights.



Very few people here have argued that that wasn't true. Did you read Glanton's column that I posted above? I read her all the time and she could often be mistaken for LTG, but even she can acknowledge the problems with Clinton. And MANY people can identify with the last lines of her article. I admit that I felt that way myself. I just wasn't going to vote for Trump in any circumstance. And I never thought he would be as terrible as he has been.

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No it isn't. Bill Clinton hasn't been President for 16 years and the two guys that succeeded did very little to change the "Neoliberal dogma" of which you speak. Trump's Presidency has little to do with Hillary Clinton. If Republican voters wanted to stop the guy they could have. They wanted him and they got him. This whole buyers remorse game is pure fallacy because he turned out to be what interested observers knew he was. He defeated 16 candidates and 13 easily were better.


Actually, all of the Republican candidates were terrible, just a different brand of terrible than Trump. Same thing with Clinton, champion of a failed ideology that has massively increased human suffering across the globe, destabilized civil society, undermined the integrity of key public institutions (labor unions, universities, news organizations, etc), wreaked havoc on the environment, and increased the likelihood of large-scale military conflict. And yes, the deliberate implosion of the "New Deal Order"--in favor of neoliberal disorder--first initiated by Reagan and gleefully completed by the Clintons ("The era of 'big government' is over!"--makes them the philosophical progenitors of Donald Trump. When liberal institutions are dismantled and replaced with free market zealotry, isolated social problems are magnified and given the freedom to transmogrify into structural malignancies.

And who are you indicating has "buyer's remorse"? Trump's supporters remain loyal to him despite overwhelming (and long visible) evidence of his incompetence and corruption. This irrationality is itself a product of the cynical approach to social policy and immiserating economic strategy of leading neoliberals, including the Clintons.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


He never said no one. At least 1 poster has NEVER criticized the president and does nothing but defend him. It's fair to wonder why.


He said there was not one thread about Trump's racism. I guess you two were too busy posting Bernie is a thief and a liar to start the Trump racist threads though.


Why didn't you start one? Why do black posters need to start them? What he said is true.


People have started them. And if you feel there is a need for more Trump is a racist threads why not start them yourself?


You attacked LTG for his statement and told him he was wrong. You have to prove that.


I literally did. There was an entire thread about Trump bloviating about Chicago. And rather than start a thread about every dumbass thing he says we have massive on-going Trump thread. Many posts point out racist stuff he has done.

I posted a video about the Congressional Black Caucus for example. People have made countless posts about Trump being a racist idiot. It's not ignored, and it does not mean that Hillary's actions are not troubling/racist in many instances.

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Glanton nailed that one


she completely missed or didn't address that Clinton lost not one but two national elections in which she was the prohibitive favorite and was stretched in a third (Sanders). It may not have changed her conclusion but it would have added strength and context to her argument.

a pattern of ineptness

ETA: ineptitude is the proper word in this case. my bad.

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Has JLN ever criticized the president for anything?

Not racist enough?

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Has JLN ever criticized the president for anything?

Not racist enough?

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i remember he stepped aside like a bitch. reason #1 i knew he could never be president.

In all honesty, I think he didn't want to come off like Trump ("get him out") and he would have responded, but had to leave for a huge campaign rally.

But I've always contended that the woman speaking in that photo is pretty damn hot.

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i remember he stepped aside like a bitch. reason #1 i knew he could never be president.

In all honesty, I think he didn't want to come off like Trump ("get him out") and he would have responded, but had to leave for a huge campaign rally.

But I've always contended that the woman speaking in that photo is pretty damn hot.


She looks like an actress in the failed Netflix show Sense8.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


Of the people currently bashing CLinton in this thread can you identify one statement that addressed Trump's

1. Housing Discrimination Case

2. His statements and full page ad regarding the Central Park FIve case.

3. His statement issued shortly after they were exonerated. They should still be locked up because they probably had committed other crimes.

4. Allegations by the owners of the beauty pageant. Trump didn't want black contestants in the beauty pageant.

5. Allegations that he would have black workers removed from the Casino floor when he and Ivanka entered the room.


6. Statement that he hated when blacks count his money

7. Look at My African American over there comment

8. Statement that the inner cities are fucked up and blacks are essentially fucked up. What do you have to lose?

9. Birtherism

10. Threats to send in the National Guard with respect to Chicago.

Which one of these issues have you or anyone currently bashing Hillary Clinton addressed with respect to Trump?


Here is an entire thread on the last topic. viewtopic.php?f=47&t=104672

Nearly everyone of these others have been addressed elsewhere. I am not going to waste time looking them up again. You are being intentionally dishonest, and suggesting that people are racist for not calling out Trump, while going after Clinton.

It's pathetic, and going after Clinton does not mean support for Trump. Especially now that the election is long over.

Again there are hundreds of pages of posts attacking Trump. Wake up.



You are the one being intentionally dishonest. I noticed that you cannot cite one instance where any of these points were addressed by people currently bashing her. As far as accusing someone of being racist I havent. If I believed that they were i'd state it. I do think that Trump's racism has been ignored by MANY on here. It should be easy to cite specifics. I don't want to hear that he is a scumbag or the equivalent that she is equally bad. Address specific instances of Trump racism. For some reason it seems to be difficult for MANY on here to do. SImply saying that he is racist and brushing it aside is insulting too.

i noticed that the Hillary detractors were conspicuously silent and the charge of racism wasn't levied either. It definitely wasn't emphasized.

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There have been hundreds of pages bashing Donald Trump, but no one has said he has been racist? Come on LTG.


Of the people currently bashing CLinton in this thread can you identify one statement that addressed Trump's

1. Housing Discrimination Case

2. His statements and full page ad regarding the Central Park FIve case.

3. His statement issued shortly after they were exonerated. They should still be locked up because they probably had committed other crimes.

4. Allegations by the owners of the beauty pageant. Trump didn't want black contestants in the beauty pageant.

5. Allegations that he would have black workers removed from the Casino floor when he and Ivanka entered the room.


6. Statement that he hated when blacks count his money

7. Look at My African American over there comment

8. Statement that the inner cities are fucked up and blacks are essentially fucked up. What do you have to lose?

9. Birtherism

10. Threats to send in the National Guard with respect to Chicago.

Which one of these issues have you or anyone currently bashing Hillary Clinton addressed with respect to Trump?


Here is an entire thread on the last topic. viewtopic.php?f=47&t=104672

Nearly everyone of these others have been addressed elsewhere. I am not going to waste time looking them up again. You are being intentionally dishonest, and suggesting that people are racist for not calling out Trump, while going after Clinton.

It's pathetic, and going after Clinton does not mean support for Trump. Especially now that the election is long over.

Again there are hundreds of pages of posts attacking Trump. Wake up.



You are the one being intentionally dishonest. I noticed that you cannot cite one instance where any of these points were addressed by people currently bashing her. As far as accusing someone of being racist I havent. If I believed that they were i'd state it. I do think that Trump's racism has been ignored by MANY on here. It should be easy to cite specifics. I don't want to hear that he is a scumbag or the equivalent that she is equally bad. Address specific instances of Trump racism. For some reason it seems to be difficult for MANY on here to do. SImply saying that he is racist and brushing it aside is insulting too.


Or being told how to feel because you are black.

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Hey remember when Black Lives Matter, inexplicably decided to target Bernie Sanders in the primaries

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i remember he stepped aside like a bitch. reason #1 i knew he could never be president.

In all honesty, I think he didn't want to come off like Trump ("get him out") and he would have responded, but had to leave for a huge campaign rally.

But I've always contended that the woman speaking in that photo is pretty damn hot.


She looks like an actress in the failed Netflix show Sense8.

I first read this as Section8


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