Both are swell spellers, too.



Fine, so there's one good thing about him.

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Are we in the midst of a class and race war?

Since there are always extremes and the goal is balance, do you think our country will moderate or we will see the left extreme next?

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I honestly never got the feeling that any of those loony birthers actually believed that something as crazy as Obama being removed from office could really occur. Certainly even the wackier factions of the right media like Hannity or Beck never suggested something so absurd. But there are Democrats in Congress and members of the media who have suggested a re-do of the election based on... I'm not sure what authority.

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hes as racist as i am. which per leary, is pretty racist.

There were congressmen in '08-'09 who tried to force amendments for Obama to release his long-form birth certificate. The fact that it seems so absurd doesn't mean it didn't happen. Hannity loved every minute of the birther thing, too... and Trump was perhaps the biggest "birther" of them all!.. and he won the election. The birther/teaparty faction was in no way a small faction. I have no data to support it, but I have no reason to believe they weren't just as big or bigger than whatever "resistance" movement is now happening.

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What's the resistance against Trump? Trump? No one is more effective at shitting on his message and the people who work for him

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So it's also probably worth mentioning that the calls to remove Trump from office are for justifiable reasons and the ones with Obama weren't. The birthers absolutely wanted to remove Obama from office. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise, jorr. Why else would they make such a big deal about it?

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I didn't say Hannity didn't love it. But he knew Obama wasn't going to be removed from office. He loves this Seth Rich thing too, but I don't get the impression he really believes Hillary will be tried for murder.

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Most of the birther stuff was before the first election. Obama was elected twice. There was no realistic way anyone thought he would be removed from office.

What are the "justifiable reasons" to remove Trump?

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I saw impeachment talk even in October of this year from some of my Facebook friends. MANY believed it and some of our elected officials sold it. Talk radio and conservative media made MANY believe it was going to happen.

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Well I believe that's still being investigated but I keep hearing obstruction of justice. Maybe we'll know more tomorrow. But my main point is that they have had vastly different first 100 days in terms of level of corruption, incompetence, appearance of impropriety, etc. I don't think you can disagree with that. And that alone makes this entire thing somewhat of a false equivalency

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I'm not arguing about the abilities/competence of Trump vis-a-vis Obama. I'm talking about the way those who oppose him are acting. There was a RESISTANCE! prior to Trump even taking office. The losers marched on Washington the weekend he was inaugurated. The weren't RESISTING because Trump fucked up his first 100 days.

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The Women's March was planned before the election results were known....

Are you suggesting that it didn't turn into an anti-Trump rally?

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It's not a race war. Race is used as a weapon to divide the otherwise common interests of class. If all boats were being lifted, I think people would recognize the logic of equality. Since most boats are not being lifted, people (both micro and macro) are focused on fighting for their little sliver.

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Sure, but it's only logical given Trump's positions.

Let me ask. Do you think elections should mean something?

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I'm not sure there is a resistance. If there is it's definitely incoherent. The Tea Party was far more organized and had a message that was effective. I see a president who shits on his message and the people around him and that creates most of his problems. No one else creates more problems for the president than he does and it frustrates the he'll out of republicans because they want him to sign legislation.

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I know. That's the problem with your argument in this thread. You focus it solely on the opposing party's response to each president while ignoring that each response was a direct result of the completely opposite approaches to campaign rhetoric and the office each candidate had. That's causing you to draw false equivalences between the two.

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Seems to be a really scary slope you're heading down here. Elections mean something. They don't mean all citizens need to pretend to love and/or respect the new president.

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and yet they still managed to forget to invite JDC.

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They were marching

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And it started here in Chicago (apocryphally, at least). Chicago pride

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Obstruction of justice? But that's not why I called.

Even the libbiest of libs in the Twitterverse are saying "Hillary isn't going to be appointed. There won't be a do-over election. Calm the fuck down"

If it was proven that the Ruskies had in fact been able to hack voting machines and manipulate vote counts, of which there is a much proof as there is that Obama is Kenyan, would that change your view?

I'm not asking for that. But it was "chilling" when Democrats were certain Trump was going to lose and might not accept the election results but when they do it themselves, including their candidate coming very close to claiming she actually won, it's no big deal?

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Well, you're talking to the wrong person there. I never really thought it was a big deal on either side. On one side, Trump is a huge crybaby so of course he's gonna bitch and moan about the results. Big fuckin deal. On the other hand, you have a bunch of arrogant, whiny liberals who get indignant whenever people don't believe exactly what they believe. Add in how polarizing political discourse has gotten in this time, and it's pretty predictable that you're gonna have some people crying about the election either way. I just don't really see what the big deal is.

Also, and again this is probably worth repeating, Trump's words and actions since taking office are him bringing a lot of this resistance talk on himself.

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Thanks for feeling sorry for me.

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