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Yikes. Looks bad.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

They said it started at the bottom and worked its way up. Sounds real bad.

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Do you wish Rick was in that building?

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

its all a matter of perspective. As a Drake song, it sounds pretty good.

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Damn, one of the other fourtysomething guys beat me to the Drake joke.

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Little bowtie on FoxNews reported that it started at the top and somehow worked it's way down, "but not to read anything into that".

Consistency in all things FoxNews

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This blog post was written in November... Holy shit, sounds like the building was a real fire trap.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.c ... with-fire/

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fire started on the 4th floor and took 15 minutes to reach the top floor.

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This unfortunately just gave Muslim losers a blueprint for destruction, much more effective than a car and knives.

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No fire codes. Idiots.

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Looks like either no srinkler system or it malfunctioned. Thats scary, looks like something out of a movie.

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London's fire department is going to catch a lot of shit. They were telling people who were in the process of evacuating (and were still able to) to stay in their flats.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... timer-road

"Ines said that firefighters at the bottom of the tower had told her mother, who got down earlier, to pass on a message that they should stay in their flat.

'They told my mum to tell my dad, for us to stay up in our flat safely, just close the windows and all the doors. But she didn’t tell us in time so we ended up coming down anyway. Obviously they never knew it was going to get to this extent.'"


I'm wondering if the cladding they put on the building is the same they are using in Dubai, where a bunch of skyscrapers have gone up in flames

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In New Orleans after Katrina, a lot of the "cladding" on newer high rises had been blown off of newer mid/high rises. That crap looked like little more than painted styrofoam Made me wonder then...

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Just read and see it is the same type of cladding used in the buildings that went up in Dubai. Aluminum Composite Material

Aluminum is really a bad choice. In the 60s the US Navy started using it for the super structure of warships. That practice ended after a few devastating fires (USS Belknap being a notable example).

If you want to know how dangerous aluminum can be in a fire, look at some of the Royal Navy ships in the Falklands. The HMS Sheffield took an Exocet hit. The warhead never exploded, but fuel in the missile started an aluminum fire which sank the ship after burning for 5 days.

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To be honest, some of those softer claddings that got blown off probably had some deal of fire protection. The type of cladding seen here is not used in the US from what I read in this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1801571

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If stairways were full of smoke/fire, than the safest thing to do is generally stay in your apt, and cover all cracks in doors and vents with damp towels or sheets.

This does not appear to be a typical fire, however. Its sort of amazing that the entire structure didn't collapse.

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I believe this building was basically London's version of a project so the structure was largely concrete as opposed to steel. Probably aided in the support structure surviving the fire. If this were a steel structure, it probably collapses.

Here is a good resource on concrete vs. steel question when building for fire safety.
http://www.buildings.com/article-detail ... ewall/true

If this fire happened 2 years ago before the cladding went up, it's contained to a small blaze.

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Officials think the death toll may jump above 100 when all the bodies are accounted for.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... -grenfell/

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Still better than what I thought it could be initially, based on early reports of eye witnesses seeing "almost no one" come out of the building after it was aflame...and the fact that it started around 1AM or so. I don't know how many units are on each floor but...yikes.

Either way, terrible tragedy and one that it seems like could have been avoided. Like always.

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Watching NHK a few minutes ago, they said the fire spread because of some kind of insulation that has since the building has been built, been disallowed/outlawed because it is so flammable.

Project folks taking it on the neck, again.

as an aside, German news is on now. To watch their incredulity over Trump is hilarious. Did MAGA really mean laughing stock to THIS degree? JORR? PittMike?

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This would be the aforementioned aluminum cladding that I wrote a bit about earlier in the thread. Thankfully it isn't used in the US, but it's common in Europe, East Asia, and places like Dubai.

Not only was it flammable, but the gap between the cladding and the concrete structure created a chimney effect that both spread the fire and built up heat in excess of 1,000 degrees Celsius.

and if you're going to watch foreign news, I'd suggest BBC World over NHK. NHK is fine, but BBC World is incomparable.

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I must remind you again that while I cannot speak for the puppet master I did not vote for Trump. Like many, I only need him to do select things I am behind. HRC would accomplish none. So if you get rid of him and even Pence I am good. With Ryan I can get what I want as well. Germany, the media and all of you guys here having issues with Trump and making yourselves crazy affects me at zero on a scale of ten.

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Jeremy Corbyn says he wants to put the residents of the tower up in the condos that rich foreigners buy but leave vacant as a money-sheltering scheme. Do I think that this has any chance whatsoever of happening? No. Do I think it's awesome that he said it? Hell yes.

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Congrats, you just discovered the structural differences between poured concrete and steel.

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The most shocking thing in the aftermath of this is how they are downplaying the death toll.

They know at this point 100+ are dead yet they are still trying to run with their 30 dead as of today. The media knows the real story there. They have spoken with the firefighters and other 1st responders. Yet they keep towing the line of waiting for the coroner to confirm each death individually.

That would never fly with the US media. They would have a graphic on the bottom of the screen screaming in large type what the death toll is estimated as. It's making me question how independent the UK press really is.

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Isn't that the responsible thing to do?

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