But those states were created for that purpose. The elimination of religion was one of MANY means to an end (complete state control). If religion just died of natural causes (i.e. Boilermaker Rick persuaded everyone on Earth), do we know for a fact that people would just be violent for different reasons? If that's the case, is that a defense of Islam?

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have we done away with religion? I'd say polls show that most people are still religious (I wouldn't say I am) but most people are to some degree religious in this country.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Your statement has no basis in any objective reality.

100M is a conservative estimate of how many people were killed by atheistic governments in the 20th century alone.

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You don't think that America is filled with Nationalistic fanatics?

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That doesn't mean anything. No one was killing in the name of atheism.

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It definitely is, remove religion from those people and they will still be nationalists, and it's the nationalism that is truly dangerous.

Nationalism drove the world to the world wars, not religion.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

The countries that truly banned religion did many other things that were worse and against the will of the people so it isn't like that is a great example either. It's not like the people of North Korea were looking to fill a void left by religion. The religion was banned specifically so the Supreme Leader could fill that void.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This reads like the plot synopsis of Team America World Police 2: Allah Eradication.

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Religion and its tenets were removed, and more people were killed in one century than ever before.

And Russia's government, which did a lot of that killing, had atheism as a basis of their state.

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And you don't think there were other variables that contributed to this? You are 100% certain and without doubt that a lack of religion was the sole reason this happened?

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It is everpresent.

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Why do you say that?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I saw a guy today wearing a shirt that said:

"If you don't respect this (picture of a flag)...

You'll get this (picture of a boot)."

I thought it was pretty poetic.

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It had plenty to do with it.

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Thanks. That's a compelling argument.

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Just listen to how American aggression against Islam has been spun to be a centuries long battle against American values culture and religion. Work from that premise and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. American exceptionalism is real. Its not simply a theory. Policies have been shaped by it. Its nationalistic in nature. Look at how every deviation is viewed as disloyalty. Look at how we are encouraged to agree with American policy regardless of whether we are morally right or not.

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Yup, and the Islamic Apologist(LTG) has arrived.

See what I mean?

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A number of governments that share as a stated purpose to install atheism as their religion, kill millions of christians, Jews and Muslims who won't go along with them.

If that's coincidence to you, then try to stop telling your self how "open" you are.

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I never once mentioned how "open" I was. For someone who complains about ad hominem attacks, you sure use them a lot. Maybe you should work on YOUR SELF (per Seacrest).

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Point taken leash.

But it is damn near impossible to have a rational conversation with someone who wants proof that "100%" of the deaths at the hand of Communism had something to do with atheism.

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Because the actual figure of deaths due to atheism is zero. What Christians just because of their religion? It's a absurd argument. Also, I assume you are including the Chinese in your figures. Which Chinese Jews, Muslims and Christians were killed by communists?

How many hundreds of millions were killed in holy wars? And efforts to spread Christianity? The Spanish Empire wiped out millions in North and South American spreading the "word of god",

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I guess he would call himself a "Never Islam."

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Nothing brings out the contingent of United States excusemakers quite like a discussion on Islam.

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Well, I didn't ask for that. I'm only asking to provide some sort of proof that at least some of the deaths were due in large part to a belief in atheism only, as most religious attacks are. People are literally attacking in the name of their Messiah. So, when the atheists were killing people, did they yell "Belief in nothing Akbar!"?

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" I love ketchup !!!!!"

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Let's say there were 3-4 basic tenets of the bolshevic revolution. one of those was certainly the elimination of the evil orthodox church. let's say 20-30MM killed in communist authoritarian state. you're saying none died because they were christian?

GMAFB.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

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