Where have I even mentioned race?

If he were black, hispanic, or whatever I'd think he's just as stupid. Heck, I want the North Koreans to detain Dennis Rodman since he keeps going over there.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Really? Because you hate the institution of the police and cheer the death of a young white kid for having the audacity to book a tightly controlled travel itinerary. The double standard here is blatant and can only be explained by an irrational hatred of those directly involved.

I'll use a proper analogy here. It's known I lived for 3 years in Israel. Let's just say that while I traveled to Judea and Samaria (what you would call the West Bank), I never left what would be termed under Oslo as Area C. I knew that if I had gone into Area A, I'd be putting myself at considerable risk.

I would say that yes if I willingly enter Area A and something would've happened to me, it would've been my fault for putting myself into a situation which I would have known to be dangerous. Ditto if I entered into Gaza.

There are a few Israelis who are being held in Gaza because they (for reasons unknown) crossed into the territory. While I despise Hamas, I'm not exactly pining for the Israeli government to negotiate for their release because they made a choice knowing what would happen. I'd have a different view if they were kidnapped into Gaza like Gilad Shalit.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

How do you feel about the way Israel treats Palestinians? I bet its different than the way you feel about American police treating American citizens.

So basically the reason you don't view the actions of our government and the victims similarly is because tour government isn't as bad?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I hate the police because they are armed tax collectors and regularly violating our granted Constitutional rights. I hate them for the same reason I despise the NSA, ATF, DEA, etc.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Oh. It all makes sense then. You're nuts.

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There is no comparison between North Korea's government and any other government currently on this planet.

I get angry when our government treats our citizens badly because we are supposed to expect better. As citizens they are supposed to be serving us, not the other way around.

I have no such expectation for North Korea's government to treat anyone as a human let alone grant them rights because they don't even provide that for their own citizens, who are basically slaves to a despot. Why a citizen of a free nation would want to travel to such a place knowing they are in danger is beyond me.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

So if our government got much worse would you start blaming the people they kill?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So these orgs don't violate our constitutional rights (especially the 4th Amendment) with regularity?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

But Koreans shouldn't expect better becuase...?

I dont know, none of this makes sense. You've been brainwashed by too many people and cant keep your shit straight anymore. This isn't even like Brick where he just takes the -anti because he addicted to arguing, you actually believe all this criss-crossing bullshit.

Well, file a law suit and see if the courts agree with you. Or perhaps you hate judges too?

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we would be in the situation the North Korean people are in, they are slaves and not to blame for being born into such a nation. They have no choice. Otto Warmbier, on the other hand, had a choice

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Put more Gorsuch's on the court and we can pry back such rights. In his appellate court career he often sided against law enforcement in cases revolving around the 4th.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

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I find it interesting that some of the same people arguing for this guy's human rights are among the same group on here that brazenly have no problem disregarding those of Muslims. And I am not talking about bans either.

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What are you talking about then? Who is denying Muslims their human rights?

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Freedom is our Strength.

So let's assume that Americans still had the right to flee the country. If the government started killing it's own citizens with regularity would you start to blame the people they are killing over the government?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The West has coddled and nurtured Muslims despite being constantly punished for it.

I don't know why we have to choose a side.

Should we bomb North Korea to ashes? Yes.

Is this kid a fucking moron who was asking for it? Yes.

The whole Muslims live and breathe to kill Americans narrative should lose steam when you consider that We have "boots on the ground" and bomb the shit out of them. It never has here with MANY. I'd say that is a brazen disregard for human rights. I also would suggest that continuously calling for the eradication of a religion even though the overwhelming majority of people do not participate in terrorism is a violation of civil rights.

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^this guy gets it, although in all honesty I'd squeeze North Korea before starting a war that flattens Seoul. If we wanted to we could get China to kick them to the curb by punishing Chinese banks that transfer funds by kicking them out of SWIFT.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

it's really an unfair demand for someone who is born into a nation to have to flee it. Now if that happened and some Aussie visited us after knowing what was likely to happen, that would be a fair analogy.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I guess in the same imaginary place that I was first alleged to have in this thread.

Notice how most seem to completely gloss over your travel in and around Israel analogy. Telling.

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But POTUS said the Chinese aren't the evil or corrupt world actors he bleated about during the campaign season.

Funny how cheap financing, playing ball with the Kushners and granting certain people licensing agreements and intellectual property protections to print money changed all that.

And while we're at it, cue up all the Board macro economists to overanalyze the implications of pressuring Beijing (& the impact on high end properties here.

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I don't find this offensive coming from you. In fact, I pretty much agree with the sentiment, though I'd say "asking for it" is a bit much. But I think it's fair to say the same thing about a woman who gets shitty at a frat party and gets raped. Saying she did something dumb doesn't absolve the rapist. However, such a thought is anathema to the social justice left which is why I find the take by many of them in this case to be so offensive.

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But you have no opinion other than to desire to actively parrot out the faux outrage from the compassionate conservatives?

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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Freedom is our Strength.

A foreign government tortured a young American to death and you only refer to it being an outrage sarcastically.

It is not fair to say.