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I think you have the wrong ideas on Israel. It's a democracy with a free press and freedom of religion. You view on the human rights abuses is heavily distorted. Israel has problems, they are working on them though, but I can at least say Israel (unlike the US) faces a direct existential threat that can justify some of the unsavory things they do.
I can at least sleep well knowing Israel has made proper overtures for peace, and maybe one day the Palestinians will have their own Sadat so that peaces can occur. As of now, they've had nothing but thieves running the PA who rob the aid treasuries to enrich themselves. They reject every fair offer without so much as a counter-offer as they need to be stateless to keep their scam going to rob from UNRWA. Eventually the Palestinians will get fed up with the corruption of their leadership and a Sadat will step forward. On that day there will be peace.
You really cannot keep your shit straight.
I think this conflict and the factors/history are well above your level of understanding. I'd suggest traveling to the MidEast if you ever get a chance. You might learn a thing or two.
I'm sure you'll get the unvarnished truth living in a country that literally put up a massive wall around itself. I dont need to live in Israel to know how they operate, enough has been written on that already.
You hate the police, but seem to love police-states.
You realize Israel doesn't have a wall around itself, right? Border with Egypt has no barrier (except around Eilat and that was due to Eritrean and Sudanese migrants crossing from Egypt rather than security threats). Jordanian border is wide open in the Arava Valley. They have a security barrier in built up areas, but that concrete fence you see on the news only exists in very built up areas. Most areas of the West Bank have no security fence, but once again you don't know any of that because you're completely ignorant and unprepared to discuss this topic.
Israel is hardly a police state and if you spent just 24 hours there you would see that. Your ignorance is showing through here.
Isreal doesn't have a wall, except for all these walls they have. You did a very good job explaining the few places along the Israeli border that aren't walled up though. You even let it slip that you know what its called (security fence), which kind of leads me to believe you know exactly what I'm talking about.
And why doesn't Israel do its part to accept refugees from Eritrea and Sudan...you said yourself that they aren't security threats.
Those "few places" that are not walled up represent the longest stretches of Israel's border and in fact are the majority of its land borders. If you look at a map, the entirety of the Jordanian border is not walled-up. That's the entire north-south length of the country from the Golan. As for the Egyptian border, everything except for the very southern tip is without a wall. You can drive across either border, you just have to pay 95 Shekels (between $20-$25) and get a 30 day stamp on your passport for that. It's to the point that a lot of Jordanians in Aqaba now commute into Israel to work in Eilat. The security fence only exists between parts of the West Bank and the Jerusalem area. That's a small portion of the West bank and it basically separates J-lem from Ramallah and Bethlehem. We're talking about maybe 40-50 miles of fencing in a high density area as a barrier to separate Area A lands (which are under complete PA control) from Israel proper. You really need to read a map or take a look at Google Earth and tell me where you see a fence and where you don't.
The fences Israel has probably cover less than 20% of its land borders. The US has far more fencing on its southern border than Israel has.
Israel does accept refugees from Eritrea and Sudan. If you ever went to the Hatikvah neighborhood of Tel Aviv or the Central Bus Station section of the city you would see they represent the majority of the population in that region. They also live in large groups in Eilat. Israel has taken in many (Egypt, who they cross through to get to Israel, has taken 0 and is known to use them for target practice). Israel does have to limit the number they take on though as there simply isn't enough housing or resources to provide for every refugee who wishes to arrive. Plus there is the question of the Sudanese vs. Eritrean needs. The issue is hotly debated in the Knesset and in local governments.
This might shock you, but Israel's media is pretty left wing and often on the side of taking in more refugees.
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