Agreed, a cop shouldn't be able to use a hunch or incorrect suspicion as a reason to fear for life.

The problem is our society gives cops the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it's time for us to stop teaching our children that cops are heroes until they actually start acting like them.

Instead it's shoot first, ask questions later, and use cowardice as a defense while the rest of the police union members provide cover for the story.

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"benefit of the doubt" is an understatement. I mean, kids have gotten shot and it's basically been "Well, the cop saw something that may have looked like a gun".

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and the cop just has to say "he feared for his life," even if there is no threat, and he gets reasonable doubt off of that.

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I think it's nearly an impossible job. People in this country are armed to the teeth. Shootings are consistently in the new. I think most people would crack under the stress.

The only solution is to not allow them to carry firearms unless there is a shooting. I believe it would drive many people from the force though, and likely make it more difficult to fill police jobs. It's a question of what does society want to pay for police service.

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or perhaps change the way we ask police to do their jobs so that their encounters with the public are not confrontational.

Let me ask you a question, when you see a cop driving out on the street, do you feel like he is protecting you or looking for something he can fine you for?

Politicians are too chicken shit to raise taxes so they utilize their cops as armed tax collectors writing fines and looking to abuse asset forfeiture laws.

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It isn't an impossible job though. It is more dangerous than your average job but it also has benefits that very few other jobs offer.

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They are a gang that we pay tribute to. No denying that.

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We need to arm our nations truck drivers and have them patrol the streets.

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If you were to make 100s of stressful stops every year, can you say with certainty, that you would not shoot someone on accident? I don't think they are considering their pension fund when they pull someone over, and they say they have a gun.

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Yes, I would not shoot someone by accident like most cops who somehow don't kill innocent people.

Most of these "stressful stops" don't even include multiple officers at the scene. Are they really scared every time they walk up to a guy going 15 MPH over the speed limit?

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So what experiences do you have in your life that make you certain of this? It's an absurd thing to say. Have you been with a team that has served a drug warrant? Given what we know about post traumatic stress it's beyond naive to say, I would not do that until you are actually in that situation.

If you want police shootings to stop you have to take away the guns.

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I watched the dashcam footage with the mic on the cop. He didn't tell the officer he was reaching to secure his weapon. Castille announced he had a weapon on him as he was reaching for something, at some point in defiance of the officer saying "don't reach for it".



How do you codify that higher standard, then?

Well, obviously you'll never know for certain how you would react in any hypothetical question. If I saw someone dropped their wallet in front of me on the street I believe I would tell them about it and hand it back to them but I can't know for certain and it isn't absurd to say that I would hand them back their wallet. It sounds like you simply wanted the answer you wanted to hear. I believe I would not shoot innocent people as a cop. Why is that absurd?

Now, a drug bust in a house would be a little different than what most of these innocent deaths are but I would hope that my training would keep me from just lighting a guy up who wasn't doing anything to deserve such treatment.

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So are you saying he was justified in his actions?

By not letting them free because they "feared for their safety" or "thought the toy kind of looked like a gun".

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There are guidelines to CC. The gun was not holstered as per guidelines. He was found to have weed in his system--per guidelines you can't be under the influence while carrying. He was in violation of both. If properly holstered he is probably alive. Why is everyone on here so much smarter and plugged in than the jurors on this case?

You must be new around here.

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Hey, easy pal.

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The man was shot dead without holding a gun. Perhaps wait until he is actually holding a weapon before opening fire.

The cop has had weapons training and was able to draw his gun. He could wait for the victim to at least draw before he considers his life in danger.

He was killed not knowing his life was in danger.

If a cop waits for someone to control a loaded gun, that is a dumbass cop.

So, should cops shoot every person with weed in their system and an improper holster?

We aren't more plugged in than the jurors. The fact is that there isn't a single case of a cop killing someone on the job and serving more than five years in jail in decades. Originally, I asked for three cases. I couldn't even find one and no one has been able to provide one. So, the fact that the jurors didn't find him guilty doesn't mean much unless you believe that in the past 30+ years that no cop has ever been wrong to the point where they deserve a jail sentence of even five years for an on the job killing.

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Welcome to the party.

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I obviously agree 100%. Let me add the cop shot 4 times too! At a minimum, shoot once and then see what happens.

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Well, those things may be facts, but it's also a fact that the cop was as nervous as a gerbil in a snake tank. That's not the temperament necessary to do that job. If you're that frightened of a traffic stop, perhaps you should find another line of work.

I don't know if any of you have followed the shooting of the woman at Irving and Western. But there's film of her being thrown out of the store by two retail clerks. She had the same fucking knife in her hand as they shoved her out of the store as she did when a couple cops decided she was so dangerous she needed to be shot. Maybe the cashiers and the cops should switch professions.

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I actually don't have a problem with the multiple shots fired. Once an officer has opened fire, in my mind, he has made the decision there is valid concern to take a life. I don't like legislating the result, any time an officer opens fire, the burden of lethal force needs to be justified.

This case is so much like Drinky's life. Think about it. Drinky worked in violation of guidelines. He probably had weed in his system. You can't have weed in your system on the radio. Just like Castillo couldn't have weed while carrying. But Castillo was shot. Drinky wasn't fired (the equivalent result). Is that because no one found out yet that he had weed in his system?

No, I'm not.



That's not how are system works. Are you suggesting we abandon our current criminal trial system in favor of locking people up because we just know they're guilty?

I think a cop should err on the side of caution. To me, the multiple shots simply made it more likely that if he was wrong(and he was) that the ultimate end of it is the death of a suspect.

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How about we judge them the same way we judge anyone else rather than simply granting them wide latitude to shoot citizens at will?

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