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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:10 pm 
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If Butler's knees are shot this is an okay trade.


If they aren't it's still good.

All this harping over a guy that wasn't even good enough to get you a win without Rondo during the playoffs.

He dared them to trade him over the past two years and now they have.

Don't know about the return though. Levine can score but doesn't do much else. Dunn can defend but hasn't shown he can run a team or score. Haven't seen the draft pick yet.

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Nas wrote:
If Butler's knees are shot this is an okay trade.


If they aren't it's still good.

This is a bad opinion

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If this trade and pick don't work out, bye bye GarPax and Hoiberg (who should be launched anyway)...


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As skilled as Markkanen is on the offensive end, he offers nowhere near the same potential on defense ... His lack of strength is a major soncern as he gets toseed around pretty easily by NCAA bigs and already has filled out with broad shoulders ... His core and leg strength need a lot of work, and may never allow him to battle inside against the NBA's top post players ... He does not have great length, limiting his ability to protect the rim, and being thin for his height, he plays a lot smaller than his size ... He may be more of a mismatch as a stretch-five man on offense, but the flip side is that he may not have any chance to slow down most centers on the defensive end ... As mentioned, Markkanen's lack of a strong base hinders his ability to battle for position in the post ... He is also not very physical down low, and he does not have the length to contest shots from other post players to make up for his inability to fight for good position ... Combine his lack of length with just average timing and instincts, and he could be a potential liability on this end of the court ... On the perimeter he has good feet, but he has a tendency to bend his back instead of his knees to get down in his stance, which eliminates some lateral quickness and effectiveness ... He is a nightmare to guard as a stretch-four on offense, but he often gets lost when trying to defend opposing stretch-fours on the perimeter ... His intincts in defending the pick and roll and knowing when to come help from the weak side also needs to improve ... His rebounding ability is also less than stellar for many of the same reasons that his defensive upside is limited ... Markkanen averaged an underwhelming 9.3 rebounds per 40 minutes, as he lacks the length, range, and toughness to be a force in this department ... He does not always work hard to get great position when the shot goes up, nor does he have the necessary frame to push opposing big men out of position ... Scouts also question how much more there really is to his offensive game than just his shooting ability ... He does not appear to have much of a post game, other than simple jump hooks and turnaround jumpers and is not a great finisher in traffic ... Not the most vocal or demonstrative person, will need to work on being more assertive and vocal on the floor ... He also is not a very gifted playmaker at this stage (1.2 assists per 40 minutes) and he goes left most times he puts the ball on the floor ... He is much better attacking off the dribble from the catch than in isolation situations, and he does not look nearly as natural shooting the ball when going to his right hand ... Aside from the defensive concerns, he also must develop his offensive repertoire outside of his jump shot.

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long time guy wrote:
Nas wrote:
If Butler's knees are shot this is an okay trade.


If they aren't it's still good.

This is a bad opinion

Yeah now they may miss being the 8 seed by a game .

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I wouldn't have traded him but the trade was ok enough on its own. Drafting the buster from arizona is what made it a truly awful trade.

this x 1000. I watched Arizona admittedly only in the tourney, but I saw that kid and thought, somebody on the NBA level is going to eat that guy's milkshake every night.

You want a shooter, trade down and get Justin Jackson

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I'm so depressed. Lauri fucking Markkanen? Goddamnit


Maybe we can acquire Okafor for him?

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As skilled as Markkanen is on the offensive end, he offers nowhere near the same potential on defense ... His lack of strength is a major soncern as he gets toseed around pretty easily by NCAA bigs and already has filled out with broad shoulders ... His core and leg strength need a lot of work, and may never allow him to battle inside against the NBA's top post players ... He does not have great length, limiting his ability to protect the rim, and being thin for his height, he plays a lot smaller than his size ... He may be more of a mismatch as a stretch-five man on offense, but the flip side is that he may not have any chance to slow down most centers on the defensive end ... As mentioned, Markkanen's lack of a strong base hinders his ability to battle for position in the post ... He is also not very physical down low, and he does not have the length to contest shots from other post players to make up for his inability to fight for good position ... Combine his lack of length with just average timing and instincts, and he could be a potential liability on this end of the court ... On the perimeter he has good feet, but he has a tendency to bend his back instead of his knees to get down in his stance, which eliminates some lateral quickness and effectiveness ... He is a nightmare to guard as a stretch-four on offense, but he often gets lost when trying to defend opposing stretch-fours on the perimeter ... His intincts in defending the pick and roll and knowing when to come help from the weak side also needs to improve ... His rebounding ability is also less than stellar for many of the same reasons that his defensive upside is limited ... Markkanen averaged an underwhelming 9.3 rebounds per 40 minutes, as he lacks the length, range, and toughness to be a force in this department ... He does not always work hard to get great position when the shot goes up, nor does he have the necessary frame to push opposing big men out of position ... Scouts also question how much more there really is to his offensive game than just his shooting ability ... He does not appear to have much of a post game, other than simple jump hooks and turnaround jumpers and is not a great finisher in traffic ... Not the most vocal or demonstrative person, will need to work on being more assertive and vocal on the floor ... He also is not a very gifted playmaker at this stage (1.2 assists per 40 minutes) and he goes left most times he puts the ball on the floor ... He is much better attacking off the dribble from the catch than in isolation situations, and he does not look nearly as natural shooting the ball when going to his right hand ... Aside from the defensive concerns, he also must develop his offensive repertoire outside of his jump shot.


Strictly a shooter. That's why I wanted Zach Collins or Malik Monk.


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yeah dont sound good
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As skilled as Markkanen is on the offensive end, he offers nowhere near the same potential on defense ... His lack of strength is a major soncern as he gets toseed around pretty easily by NCAA bigs and already has filled out with broad shoulders ... His core and leg strength need a lot of work, and may never allow him to battle inside against the NBA's top post players ... He does not have great length, limiting his ability to protect the rim, and being thin for his height, he plays a lot smaller than his size ... He may be more of a mismatch as a stretch-five man on offense, but the flip side is that he may not have any chance to slow down most centers on the defensive end ... As mentioned, Markkanen's lack of a strong base hinders his ability to battle for position in the post ... He is also not very physical down low, and he does not have the length to contest shots from other post players to make up for his inability to fight for good position ... Combine his lack of length with just average timing and instincts, and he could be a potential liability on this end of the court ... On the perimeter he has good feet, but he has a tendency to bend his back instead of his knees to get down in his stance, which eliminates some lateral quickness and effectiveness ... He is a nightmare to guard as a stretch-four on offense, but he often gets lost when trying to defend opposing stretch-fours on the perimeter ... His intincts in defending the pick and roll and knowing when to come help from the weak side also needs to improve ... His rebounding ability is also less than stellar for many of the same reasons that his defensive upside is limited ... Markkanen averaged an underwhelming 9.3 rebounds per 40 minutes, as he lacks the length, range, and toughness to be a force in this department ... He does not always work hard to get great position when the shot goes up, nor does he have the necessary frame to push opposing big men out of position ... Scouts also question how much more there really is to his offensive game than just his shooting ability ... He does not appear to have much of a post game, other than simple jump hooks and turnaround jumpers and is not a great finisher in traffic ... Not the most vocal or demonstrative person, will need to work on being more assertive and vocal on the floor ... He also is not a very gifted playmaker at this stage (1.2 assists per 40 minutes) and he goes left most times he puts the ball on the floor ... He is much better attacking off the dribble from the catch than in isolation situations, and he does not look nearly as natural shooting the ball when going to his right hand ... Aside from the defensive concerns, he also must develop his offensive repertoire outside of his jump shot.

Told y'all. This is one of the worst trades in recent NBA history

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The Bulls will create a $15.3M trade exception in the Jimmy Butler deal.

Don't know if this will improve the deal or not. ESPN was saying Lopez and/or Wade could be bought out.

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I'm so depressed. Lauri fucking Markkanen? Goddamnit


Maybe we can acquire Okafor for him?

Sure. Who gives a shit now? Doesn't really matter what they do until next June's draft.

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Albert Nahmad‏ @AlbertNahmad 4m4 minutes ago

The Bulls will create a $15.3M trade exception in the Jimmy Butler deal.

Don't know if this will improve the deal or not. ESPN was saying Lopez and/or Wade could be bought out.

That doesn't really have much of a tangible effect on the value of the trade.

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Albert Nahmad‏ @AlbertNahmad 4m4 minutes ago

The Bulls will create a $15.3M trade exception in the Jimmy Butler deal.

Don't know if this will improve the deal or not. ESPN was saying Lopez and/or Wade could be bought out.

That doesn't really have much of a tangible effect on the value of the trade.

the trade, eh. The pick?! Laughably bad.

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Albert Nahmad‏ @AlbertNahmad 4m4 minutes ago

The Bulls will create a $15.3M trade exception in the Jimmy Butler deal.

Don't know if this will improve the deal or not. ESPN was saying Lopez and/or Wade could be bought out.


Reinsdorf really gonna buy out 24 million? It would make sense for the future of the team. Cuz without Wade, Bulls would certainly be a bottom 3 team with a chance to get the number one pick.

Plus Wade's minutes playing would retard the development of the two guards they got. We'll see. I'm sure Pax discussed this with Jerry before he did the trade.


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I'm starting to really hate this pick.

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Gar yes. Pax isn't going anywhere unless he retires. They'll pay off Hoiberg in year 4 or 5.


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I wouldn't have traded him but the trade was ok enough on its own. Drafting the buster from arizona is what made it a truly awful trade.

this x 1000. I watched Arizona admittedly only in the tourney, but I saw that kid and thought, somebody on the NBA level is going to eat that guy's milkshake every night.

You want a shooter, trade down and get Justin Jackson


Can the not so great Shakes come along now to tell the world that you don't know shit because you only saw him play once?

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I wouldn't have traded him but the trade was ok enough on its own. Drafting the buster from arizona is what made it a truly awful trade.

this x 1000. I watched Arizona admittedly only in the tourney, but I saw that kid and thought, somebody on the NBA level is going to eat that guy's milkshake every night.

You want a shooter, trade down and get Justin Jackson


Can the not so great Shakes come along now to tell the world that you don't know shit because you only saw him play once?

him, I watched 5 times in the regular season, once against NC State, twice against Duke and once against Virginia. Guy makes shots from everywhere, instant offense.

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I know none of us really know anything right now, but I am really struggling to envision how Markkanen can succeed in the NBA. Big guys who can't play defense and can't rebound aren't very useful, even if they can shoot. Best case scenario we just drafted Channing Frye with the 7th overall pick. Fucking horrible


Isn't this NBA in the modern era though? I thought this sort of guy is right in your basketball wheelhouse. Nice use of the mixed metaphor.

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City of Fools wrote:
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City of Fools wrote:
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I wouldn't have traded him but the trade was ok enough on its own. Drafting the buster from arizona is what made it a truly awful trade.

this x 1000. I watched Arizona admittedly only in the tourney, but I saw that kid and thought, somebody on the NBA level is going to eat that guy's milkshake every night.

You want a shooter, trade down and get Justin Jackson


Can the not so great Shakes come along now to tell the world that you don't know shit because you only saw him play once?

him, I watched 5 times in the regular season, once against NC State, twice against Duke and once against Virginia. Guy makes shots from everywhere, instant offense.


I wasn't talking about Jackson

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City of Fools wrote:
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I wouldn't have traded him but the trade was ok enough on its own. Drafting the buster from arizona is what made it a truly awful trade.

this x 1000. I watched Arizona admittedly only in the tourney, but I saw that kid and thought, somebody on the NBA level is going to eat that guy's milkshake every night.

You want a shooter, trade down and get Justin Jackson


Can the not so great Shakes come along now to tell the world that you don't know shit because you only saw him play once?

him, I watched 5 times in the regular season, once against NC State, twice against Duke and once against Virginia. Guy makes shots from everywhere, instant offense.


I wasn't talking about Jackson

:scratch: they played 3 games...

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Harry Giles was the consensus #1 player when all of these guys were in high school just 2 years ago. Injuries have stalled his career thus far. Someone may get a steal with him.

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Harry Giles was the consensus #1 player when all of these guys were in high school just 2 years ago. Injuries have stalled his career thus far. Someone may get a steal with him.

agreed!

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Bulls remain interested in re-signing Nikola Mirotic even after drafting Markkanen. Rondo's future in question.

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City of Fools wrote:
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City of Fools wrote:
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City of Fools wrote:
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I wouldn't have traded him but the trade was ok enough on its own. Drafting the buster from arizona is what made it a truly awful trade.

this x 1000. I watched Arizona admittedly only in the tourney, but I saw that kid and thought, somebody on the NBA level is going to eat that guy's milkshake every night.

You want a shooter, trade down and get Justin Jackson


Can the not so great Shakes come along now to tell the world that you don't know shit because you only saw him play once?

him, I watched 5 times in the regular season, once against NC State, twice against Duke and once against Virginia. Guy makes shots from everywhere, instant offense.


I wasn't talking about Jackson

:scratch: they played 3 games...


Still not enough for an evaluation according to Shakes. You must watch him 20 times in order to provide an accurate assessment.

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Harry Giles was the consensus #1 player when all of these guys were in high school just 2 years ago. Injuries have stalled his career thus far. Someone may get a steal with him.

agreed!


Harry Giles = 2 ACL tears (each knee) and 1 MCL tear


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According to that computerized report provided by ESPN Justin Jackson is the most likely to be a bust.

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I've seen them all play.

This seems....kind of awful.

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This seems....kind of awful.


I'm quickly headed down this path.


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