Bagels isn't a Bulls fan.

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the rebuild should have started when they could get the best deal for the team as constructed, in order to tear it apart. Are you saying that was last year or this year?

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Maybe Nas is making things up. If they could have gotten multiple picks for Butler then why did the very same Boston turn Paxson down for the #3 yesterday?

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The rebuild should have started last season. When they decided to allow Rose Noah and Pau to walk then Butler should have been right behind them. No way you rebuild with Butler around.

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Thought you were more a Wolves fan and I don't recall you being this sour on Dunn at any point during last season.

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Do you think this package of players is any good?

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Lavine can score and is talented. He has holes in his game defense chiefly. Dunn is talented and can guard. Don't know if he has an NBA position though. I thought he was a bust but Thibs is murder on rookies and I'm hoping this is the case here. I liked him coming out of college and thought they had something with him. Looked like the best player in Vegas and then once the season started he looked bad. Couldn't shoot and orchestrating an offense was difficult too.

I'm a Bulls fan and hoping for the best. I don't think they were going to get more for Butler than they got. In a couple of years he will really be broke down and you aren't getting anything for him then.

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Lavine can score and is talented. He has holes in his game defense chiefly. Dunn is talented and can guard. Don't know if he has an NBA position though. I thought he was a bust but Thibs is murder on rookies and I'm hoping this is the case here. I liked him coming out of college and thought they had something with him. Looked like the best player in Vegas and then once the season started he looked bad. Couldn't shoot and orchestrating an offense was difficult too.

I'm a Bulls fan and hoping for the best. I don't think they were going to get more for Butler than they got. In a couple of years he will really be broke down and you aren't getting anything for him then.

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I'm cool with them finally deciding to trade Butler and if that was the best offer they could get, so be it.

As for the draft pick, I did get to see Markenan play several times this year and honestly, I was underwhelmed more often than not, especially later in the season. There's no doubt he is an amazing shooter, one of the best ever at his height. And he is athletic for his size, he can move. However, his defense and rebounding were horrific this year. Defense doesn't concern me, you can always get better defensively simply with effort.

There's no doubt that he has the prototypical stretch 4 body and skill set. All year long I heard various experts say that when it was all said and done he would be the best player from this draft. But, I also heard that about Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Isaac and Dennis Smith at one time or another.

I would say of the top 7 prospects listed above he has one of the highest bust potentials along side Smith and Isaac. But, he also might have the highest ceiling aside from Ball and Fultz.

When it was time to draft part of me was hoping they would gamble on Dennis Smith, but I totally understand making the more conservative pick in Lauri.

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I will say this, of all the prospects in the draft the two that possess a skill that I would classify as "special" as in a once in a decade type of talent would be Ball for his vision and playmaking and Lauri for his big man shooting ability. So there's that.

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I have a very hard time believing he has a high ceiling. If you're 7 feet tall and can't rebound you simply cannot be a very effective NBA player. We just drafted Andrea Bargnani 2.0

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I think you're being a bit closed minded. Getting better at rebounding could be as simple as hitting the weight room. On the other hand, the offense and hands this guy has are things you either have or you don't.

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Rebounding is also something you either have or don't have. It's incredibly rare for a player to be a poor college rebounder and then get better at it. It's one of the most translatable skills from college to the NBA.

I thought I was being a bit reactionary last night but after a day to digest the news and think about it while sober, I actually probably dislike the pick even more. It's borderline indefensible. You can't draft role players with the 7th overall pick in one of the deepest drafts in over a decade.

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Wasn't there similar concerns about Porzingis when he was drafted?

Not saying at all that this guy will be Porzingis, but it seems like the same things said about any tall white stretch 4.

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This was said about Porzingis, but sounds like it could be the same for the finnish dude

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Pretty sure Markkanen isn't gonna be averaging 2.3 blocks per 36 over his first two years in the league

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I dont like the pick. I would have much rather had Monk.

Just looking for any glimmer of hope

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Monk has a very low ceiling in the NBA, he's a bench player.

At least this guy has star "potential".

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I really hope I'm wrong. I've read quite a bit and watched a lot of Lauri's "highlights". I don't see any potential really. I guess he would be good in a game of horse.

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yea but you don't know if he's going to be a role player or not. Like I said you're being closed minded about it.

As far as the rebounding, I disagree that you can't get better at it. But, if this guy can provide the offense he's capable of, rebounding would just be a bonus. As long as he can learn to defend and has great offense, I don't think it matters if he doesn't rebound well. I assume we'll have other people for that.

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The Bulls could have literally had the first pick in the draft as well as their own lottery pick if they made the deal with the Celtics at the deadline. Instead of taking picks they wanted Jaw Crowder and others.

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I disagree that I'm being close minded about it. He looks EXACTLY like a role player. We'll see how he turns out. He's much more likely to be Channing Frye than Dirk or Porzingis.

Your comments relating to his defense just seem like blind optimism, IMO. He looks horrendous on that side of the ball, and that's before even playing against pros.

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Boston was trying to win a championship in February. Now they understand they can keep the pick and probably sign Hayward in a couple of weeks.

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This

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Wasn't the story that Boston wanted to keep the pick and Butler wasn't enough to get them over the top? Definitely weren't willing to part with two for Butler. Hayward's status is no different than it was in February. Ainge didn't want Butler. Not at that price.

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Probably as bad as Jokic's but we will see.

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Here are Jokic's per 100 possession stats from last season:

29.3 PPG, 17.2 RPG, 8.6 APG, 26.4 PER

Keep comparing this Markkanen kid to him though. It's gonna be great bumping this as we go

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Nah there's a thread around here about it. The Celtics were shocked that the Bulls wanted their players instead of picks.

Hayward wasn't coming over in February so trading picks for Butler or George made sense. NOW they can have it all. They get arguably the best player in the draft and they have cap room to sign a stud like Hayward.

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