They are leaving because evangelicals are embracing them in order to welcome Jesus back to the Holy Land. Sounds reasonable.

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So let me guess, you're saying that Jews don't care about Israel unless they keep kosher?


I thought you had grown up a bit, but you really are an ignorant knob.

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Every Jew I met has a strong emotional connection to Israel. It is quite admirable.

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not so fast! Do those "jews" eat cheeseburgers?

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The United States conducted an emergency restocking of their arsenal during the Yom Kippur war in response to Golda Meir insinuating nuclear weapons were being considered.

It wad actually a fascinating military logistics example from a historical standpoint. It exposed many weak points in the USAF airlift capabilities and led to the implementation of better in flight refueling capabilities.

What the Israelis paid for those arms and at what discount is unclear.

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They're based on the same mythology/folk tales. They are both equally fantastic.

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Judaism is based in the mythology. Christianity is informed by it. From your perspective Christianity is based in a different mythology.

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Oh, you mean a guy multiplying fish and loaves, walking on water, and coming back to life? Yeah, that part is different. The Jews think the guy who can do that shit hasn't arrived yet.

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Let's not forget the impregnated virgin.

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They do not. But they'll tell you they do.

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You're quite the expert. I guess I just take what they say and do at face value.

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That's a big mistake in life.

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Wait, you think Judaism is LESS fantastical than Christianity?[/quote]


They're based on the same mythology/folk tales. They are both equally fantastic.[/quote]

Judaism is based in the mythology. Christianity is informed by it. From your perspective Christianity is based in a different mythology.[/quote]

Oh, you mean a guy multiplying fish and loaves, walking on water, and coming back to life? Yeah, that part is different. The Jews think the guy who can do that shit hasn't arrived yet.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean the part about the guy who gave the religion its name.

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I do agree with IMU in part that if you are not a religious Jew you do not share in the full vision of Israel.

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I'll respectfully disagree. You may be jaded from too much time on the Internet.

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Well, the guy's name was actually Jesus of Nazareth. I'm pretty sure "Christ" comes from the ancient Greek word that means "anointed".

Seacrest, why do I have to explain this? What do they teach these guys at those Jesuit schools?

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That's certainly true if you're basing things on some ancient religious texts, but you're touching on the exact difference between Muslims and followers of the other two Abrahamic religions, particularly Judaism which- aside from a handful of nutjobs trying to do a rough rebuild of the Temple Mount and building villages because they believe land was deeded to them by G_d- has become largely secular and cultural rather than truly religious. There are many Jewish atheists. The concept of a "Muslim atheist" cannot and will not exist.

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Wrong, the guy's name was actually Joshua bar Joseph. I guessed you missed that in shop class at Tech.

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if I'm basing things? You think Israel was founded in secularism?

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Usually, their first name is "Doctor."

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what does that even mean, the full vision of Israel? And who are you to decide what that is and which Jews qualify?

You're coming off a little full retard as well.


Fact is you (and IMU) have no clue how Jews feel about Israel.

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I think that's a more complicated question than you believe. I certainly don't think it was founded in devoutness. It was mainly founded because Hitler had failed at wiping out Jews in Europe and Arabs were forcing them into dhimmitude in the Middle East.

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I don't profess to know but I pose the same question I did to Joe, do you think Israel was founded in secularism?

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actually, yes it was founded in secularism.

David Ben Gurion, the 1st PM of Israel? Atheist.
Heck, 4 of Israel's 13 PMs have been atheists. Have we had even 1 atheist US President?

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Maybe I am posing the question incorrectly. No, I don't think the countries that ushered in its existence cared about the religious implications.

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what does how Israel was founded have to do with the question at hand of how Jews today feel about Israel?

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Lincoln was (at least an agnostic)

Is Zionism an ethnic or religious movement? Seems to be both.

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ethnic, the movement was founded by Herzl, an atheist himself.

In fact, religious Jews were the last to come around on the movement as they believed only G-d (as they would write it) could establish a nation in the Jewish homeland. They believed it sacrilegious for men who were openly atheist to be doing so in the name of the Jewish people.

Most religious Jews didn't come around to the idea until after the Holocaust when it was clear that they needed Israel as a lifeboat for their people.

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