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If those kids where white he would have given them milk and cookies instead of a chokehold !!


Trick question, if they were white none of this would've happened.


This.

White kids never get in fights anymore? I doubt much has changed in the 15 years since I was 15 years old.


White kids get in brawls in finished basements after too much rum out of their parents liquor cabinet. Its usually one on one with lots of bro being thrown around.

World star and social media seems to illustrate blacks like several fighters on one opponent in public spaces, preferably shopping areas or mass trans.

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:lol: @ rightfully scared. Jesus, cops are such fuckin pussies.



you know, when a suspect flees the cops at high speeds and later when asked why they were running and they say they were scared, never works out quite the same way

Yea, this is bullshit and we all know it.

Isn't a cops job to protect and serve? Why wasn't he helping this kid if he was the one who got jumped? This officer clearly needs to learn and should have been trained on deescalating a situation like this. He did nothing but provoke and escalate this, it should have and could have been handled in a different manner.

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:lol: @ rightfully scared. Jesus, cops are such fuckin pussies.



you know, when a suspect flees the cops at high speeds and later when asked why they were running and they say they were scared, never works out quite the same way

Yea, this is bullshit and we all know it.

Isn't a cops job to protect and serve? Why wasn't he helping this kid if he was the one who got jumped? This officer clearly needs to learn and should have been trained on deescalating a situation like this. He did nothing but provoke and escalate this, it should have and could have been handled in a different manner.

Because the kid was at his house where his wife and children live! Why is this so fucking hard to understand? It's not like he was taking a call and just decided to choke out the kid, this situation brought itself to literally his front door and he defended his own. He was off duty.

Are we really going to expect police, while off duty, to not protect their families while they are at home?


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If you're afraid of black people move to Vermont. If his initial reaction was to grab the kid until he figured out what was going on MANY wouldn't have an issue with it. It didn't take 5 mins of choking the kid or cheering from his wife for him to figure out he wasn't in danger. He did it because he's an asshole and figured be could get away with it or for a worse reason.

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:lol: @ rightfully scared. Jesus, cops are such fuckin pussies.



you know, when a suspect flees the cops at high speeds and later when asked why they were running and they say they were scared, never works out quite the same way

Yea, this is bullshit and we all know it.

Isn't a cops job to protect and serve? Why wasn't he helping this kid if he was the one who got jumped? This officer clearly needs to learn and should have been trained on deescalating a situation like this. He did nothing but provoke and escalate this, it should have and could have been handled in a different manner.

Because the kid was at his house where his wife and children live! Why is this so fucking hard to understand? It's not like he was taking a call and just decided to choke out the kid, this situation brought itself to literally his front door and he defended his own. He was off duty.

Are we really going to expect police, while off duty, to not protect their families while they are at home?

How was his family in danger? Because a black kid was on his porch?

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:lol: @ rightfully scared. Jesus, cops are such fuckin pussies.

there was a black kid sitting on this stoop. who wouldn't be terrified?!?!? or in cop speak "fear for their safety"



of course, you're leaving out MANY of the important facts such as huge brawl in neighborhood, bbgun found in backyard, two combatants sitting on his front porch with his family inside.

Anyone with a brain would be scared or at least worried about the situation and what could still happen.

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:lol: @ rightfully scared. Jesus, cops are such fuckin pussies.

there was a black kid sitting on this stoop. who wouldn't be terrified?!?!? or in cop speak "fear for their safety"



of course, you're leaving out MANY of the important facts such as huge brawl in neighborhood, bbgun found in backyard, two combatants sitting on his front porch with his family inside.

Anyone with a brain would be scared or at least worried about the situation and what could still happen.

Nobody with a brain would be scared. There is nothing in the article or press release that indicates this guy or his family was in danger.

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He was scared for his family's safety because of a group of 30 people, so when they dispersed, he decided to detain them with a chokehold?

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If you're afraid of black people move to Vermont. If his initial reaction was to grab the kid until he figured out what was going on MANY wouldn't have an issue with it. It didn't take 5 mins of choking the kid or cheering from his wife for him to figure out he wasn't in danger. He did it because he's an asshole and figured be could get away with it or for a worse reason.



You don't know what else was going on in the neighborhood. He could've been concerned that if he let him go he would then get jumped by him and his buddy and who knows who else. Afterall there were 20 kids fighting at one point. also, he had to hold him down to ensure he was still there when the cops arrived.

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Let me ask all the snowflakes in this thread a question.

If there was no bad language and death threats and cheering from the wife would you still be upset about the video?

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:lol: @ rightfully scared. Jesus, cops are such fuckin pussies.



you know, when a suspect flees the cops at high speeds and later when asked why they were running and they say they were scared, never works out quite the same way

Yea, this is bullshit and we all know it.

Isn't a cops job to protect and serve? Why wasn't he helping this kid if he was the one who got jumped? This officer clearly needs to learn and should have been trained on deescalating a situation like this. He did nothing but provoke and escalate this, it should have and could have been handled in a different manner.

Because the kid was at his house where his wife and children live! Why is this so fucking hard to understand? It's not like he was taking a call and just decided to choke out the kid, this situation brought itself to literally his front door and he defended his own. He was off duty.

Are we really going to expect police, while off duty, to not protect their families while they are at home?

How was his family in danger? Because a black kid was on his porch?

Huge fight in the neighborhood, BB gun found in the backyard, the video clearly shows the kids were argumentative. Don't fuck around on people's property...this is something you are taught from a young age. And if you do go around doing that you're liable to get beat up by an angry old man.


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He wasn't scared he was forcibly restraining him

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bbgun found in backyard



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That's not a real gun, is it, clark?
What, are you kidding? this is a magnum p.i.
It's a bb gun.
I can put an eye out with this thing.
You couldn't even break the skin with that thing.
It could. it could. it could break the skin.
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He was scared for his family's safety because of a group of 30 people, so when they dispersed, he decided to detain them with a chokehold?


No, he was scared for his family's safety because of a brawl with 30 people that happened close enough to his home that he discovered a firearm in his backyard and then he found two of the combatants sitting on his porch, one bleeding. also, you don't know if the group dispersed or if they were still lingering in the area.

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first it was a bb gun, now it's a firearm....next page it will turn into a sawed off shotgun


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He was scared for his family's safety because of a group of 30 people, so when they dispersed, he decided to detain them with a chokehold?


No, he was scared for his family's safety because of a brawl with 30 people that happened close enough to his home that he discovered a firearm in his backyard and then he found two of the combatants sitting on his porch, one bleeding. also, you don't know if the group dispersed or if they were still lingering in the area.

You don't know anything outside of what was shown on the video. I'm certainly not inclined to believe a person who was acting like a violent psycho on camera, and that's the only side of the story we have as of now.

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I think it's pretty clear this guy is racist based on his actions and words. I don't think all cops are racist. I think you and others like apologizing for racist white cops with a Just Asking Questions style and it's a bad look.


What words convinced you he was racist? I think assuming everything is a racist conspiracy is a terrible look and a dangerous narrative. Did the cop who shot the deaf white kid hate white people?

I don't assume everything is. When a white adult slams a 15 year old to the ground, starts choking him, and says he's going to kill him, all without provocation, at that point it's fair to question the motivations behind his actions.

I think assuming nothing is ever racially motivated is a terrible look and dangerous narrative. Hopefully you evolve


Did you witness the events prior to the video's beginning?

Evolve as in if you don't think in lockstep that any transgression against black person is born of internalized hate system? That's the definition of dogma.

This attitude and narrative is leading to the collapse discourse on campus. https://youtu.be/BzrPMetGtJQ

Cops shoot white people all the time. If you think claiming those were justified, and police violence against blacks is racism then I don't know how we can possibly have any sort reasonable discussion.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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I think it's pretty clear this guy is racist based on his actions and words. I don't think all cops are racist. I think you and others like apologizing for racist white cops with a Just Asking Questions style and it's a bad look.


What words convinced you he was racist? I think assuming everything is a racist conspiracy is a terrible look and a dangerous narrative. Did the cop who shot the deaf white kid hate white people?

I don't assume everything is. When a white adult slams a 15 year old to the ground, starts choking him, and says he's going to kill him, all without provocation, at that point it's fair to question the motivations behind his actions.

I think assuming nothing is ever racially motivated is a terrible look and dangerous narrative. Hopefully you evolve


Did you witness the events prior to the video's beginning?

Evolve as in if you don't think in lockstep that any transgression against black person is born of internalized hate system? That's the definition of dogma.

This attitude and narrative is leading to the collapse discourse on campus. https://youtu.be/BzrPMetGtJQ

Cops shoot white people all the time. If you think claiming those were justified, and police violence against blacks is racism then I don't know how we can possibly have any sort reasonable discussion.


A rush to say race played no roll whenever a white person is the aggressor appears to happen a lot with you. That same grace isn't usually extended to "others". That looks bad.

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He was scared for his family's safety because of a group of 30 people, so when they dispersed, he decided to detain them with a chokehold?


No, he was scared for his family's safety because of a brawl with 30 people that happened close enough to his home that he discovered a firearm in his backyard and then he found two of the combatants sitting on his porch, one bleeding. also, you don't know if the group dispersed or if they were still lingering in the area.

You don't know anything outside of what was shown on the video. I'm certainly not inclined to believe a person who was acting like a violent psycho on camera, and that's the only side of the story we have as of now.


That's not true at all. We know a lot based on the article. We know there was a massive brawl. We know he found a bb gun in his backyard. We know there was already an investigation going on into the brawl.

If you're basing your thoughts solely on a 30 second video that's a massive disconnect with logical thinking.

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first it was a bb gun, now it's a firearm....next page it will turn into a sawed off shotgun


It was always a bb gun. Is a bb gun considered a firearm for legal purposes? Don't know, but I'm guessing it does. Especially when it looks like a real gun.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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I think it's pretty clear this guy is racist based on his actions and words. I don't think all cops are racist. I think you and others like apologizing for racist white cops with a Just Asking Questions style and it's a bad look.


What words convinced you he was racist? I think assuming everything is a racist conspiracy is a terrible look and a dangerous narrative. Did the cop who shot the deaf white kid hate white people?

I don't assume everything is. When a white adult slams a 15 year old to the ground, starts choking him, and says he's going to kill him, all without provocation, at that point it's fair to question the motivations behind his actions.

I think assuming nothing is ever racially motivated is a terrible look and dangerous narrative. Hopefully you evolve


Did you witness the events prior to the video's beginning?

Evolve as in if you don't think in lockstep that any transgression against black person is born of internalized hate system? That's the definition of dogma.

This attitude and narrative is leading to the collapse discourse on campus. https://youtu.be/BzrPMetGtJQ

Cops shoot white people all the time. If you think claiming those were justified, and police violence against blacks is racism then I don't know how we can possibly have any sort reasonable discussion.

You're struggling here. Stop falling back on the "any and all transgressions against black people" argument. This will now be the third time I am directly telling you I don't think every transgression against black people is motivated by racism.

I believe you keep going back to this strawman because you realize how ridiculous you sound apologizing for the cop in this video.

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He was scared for his family's safety because of a group of 30 people, so when they dispersed, he decided to detain them with a chokehold?


No, he was scared for his family's safety because of a brawl with 30 people that happened close enough to his home that he discovered a firearm in his backyard and then he found two of the combatants sitting on his porch, one bleeding. also, you don't know if the group dispersed or if they were still lingering in the area.

You don't know anything outside of what was shown on the video. I'm certainly not inclined to believe a person who was acting like a violent psycho on camera, and that's the only side of the story we have as of now.


That's not true at all. We know a lot based on the article. We know there was a massive brawl. We know he found a bb gun in his backyard. We know there was already an investigation going on into the brawl.

If you're basing your thoughts solely on a 30 second video that's a massive disconnect with logical thinking.

We don't know any of those things yet.

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He was scared for his family's safety because of a group of 30 people, so when they dispersed, he decided to detain them with a chokehold?


No, he was scared for his family's safety because of a brawl with 30 people that happened close enough to his home that he discovered a firearm in his backyard and then he found two of the combatants sitting on his porch, one bleeding. also, you don't know if the group dispersed or if they were still lingering in the area.

You don't know anything outside of what was shown on the video. I'm certainly not inclined to believe a person who was acting like a violent psycho on camera, and that's the only side of the story we have as of now.


That's not true at all. We know a lot based on the article. We know there was a massive brawl. We know he found a bb gun in his backyard. We know there was already an investigation going on into the brawl.

If you're basing your thoughts solely on a 30 second video that's a massive disconnect with logical thinking.

We don't know any of those things yet.


we don't know them for sure, but they are in the article. There's enough in that article to make me realize there's a lot more to this situation than what is in the video. Very unwise to draw any conclusions based on the video.

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I disagree. There are definitely some conclusions a logical person can draw from watching the video.

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If you fear for your safety why start a physical confrontation when you have no reason to do so?

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Yea, this is bullshit and we all know it.

Isn't a cops job to protect and serve? Why wasn't he helping this kid if he was the one who got jumped? This officer clearly needs to learn and should have been trained on deescalating a situation like this. He did nothing but provoke and escalate this, it should have and could have been handled in a different manner.

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I disagree. There are definitely some conclusions a logical person can draw from watching the video.


Including the motivations of the cop, apparently.

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I disagree. There are definitely some conclusions a logical person can draw from watching the video.


Including the motivations of the cop, apparently.

Yes.

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I disagree. There are definitely some conclusions a logical person can draw from watching the video.


Including the motivations of the cop, apparently.

Yes.

What are they?

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