A short time ago this morning my 2 dogs were accosted on a walk by a pitbull, making this the 2nd time in the past 3 weeks. The first time the owner had it tethered to a piece of twine or something in the front yard, this time (different dogs/owners) it was off a leash in these people's garage. Go ahead and own one, but I think you certainly need to exercise a greater amount of care than if you owned say, a poodle. Unfortunately the majority of the people that own these dogs are the exact opposite, they could care less. Fuck these assholes.

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The problem is, these people don't think it is the breed. They think it is the owner. Growing up, we always had female labs. They were always great, and we had verbal control over them(not that we let them roam free).

no i do think it's the breed.....that said, if you control it properly i have no issue with someone having them. The problem is appears is that MANY owners cannot

Every time I see a new one in my neighborhood, I cringe. Although the chances are slim, I always wonder which one is gonna get spooked and go into kill mode when I'm walking our dog.

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I don't understand why there are people who insist on continuing the breed. I'm not talking about eliminating existing dogs. Just let the breed die out.

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yeah, i'd be in favor of that

Pit bull is kind of a generic breed though. I mean if you get rid of the American Strafordshire Terrier or whatever the original ones were there are mutts and mixes and other dogs that fit the criteria or the type. I mean, a Cane Corsa is probably potentially worse than a 70 pound pit but there are outnumbered 100-1 by pits if not 1000-1. I've never had the desire to have a pit dog or many like it but to each there own.

My favorite is when oversensitive owners flood the comments of any news article about a pitbull attack and whine about the breed of the dog being identified. "That was a a dog attack, not a pitbull attack!" The best is when they treat naming the breed as akin to racism.

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I live in hope that someday Pitbull, the talentless singer, will be mauled by a pack of roving pit bulls.

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I think it's pretty clear it's the animal equivalent of having a nutsack truck hitch

Fuck a high strung standard poodle. There's this big brown cocksucker in my neighborhood named Fido. The owner is this dumb broad who let's it run off leash in the park behind my house. Every time it sees me running it comes bounding over like a fucking lunatic, barking and stripping its teeth. It's nearly knocked me down on a couple occasions and once it grabbed my jacket in its teeth. I told its owner I was going to start carrying mace and when this fucker came at me I wasn't going to mace the dog, I was going to mace her.

When I was relating this story to my cousins at Christmas they all laughed like "JORR got bothered by a poodle " as if this thing was some kind of teacup sitting on Paris Hilton's lap. Fido is as big as a German Shepherd and as mean as any pitbull.

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Grew up with a standard poodle. Family drove out to Kewanee to get him when I was like 4. His brother knocked me over and I still have a scar on my knee from him. Anyway, this dog scared the crap out of people because he would get in fights with other dogs that came on his lawn or racoons. He'd get all cut up in these fights and the UPS guy would come and knock on the door and he'd stand up on his hind legs and look out window with this cut up face and I guess he looked intimidating because people were terrified of him. I will say he was as an athletic dog as I knew back in the day and all he did all day was run. Dog got kicked in the face by a horse, caved in his teeth and got back up and wanted more. Casper was an asshole.

Moved out here and I was in a feed store and they had pictures of all these dogs on the wall. One was a poodle and I asked if it was theirs and they said no, just a friend's from kewanee who used to breed them. I remarked that we got one back in late 70's from Kewanee and their eyes kind of lite up and said that dog was from the same breeder most likely. Apparently, they were breeding them as airport security dogs and they were a bit more.. Uhm... assertive than the average standard poodle.

I don't think I've ever seen one person change their mind in these discussion where we just throw stats at each other and say the other sides stats are garbage, but if anyone actually has an open mind I would suggest volunteering at a shelter or attending an adoption even to actually spend some time around pitbulls. You can pm me, and I'll try to set it up. I've volunteered since 2011 and I've been around literally hundreds of pitbulls and I promise you the overwhelming majority are good natured clowns, even when they've had a rough past. And rough is understating it, for every pitbull attack you see (admittedly horrible), I can show you numerous cases of abused pits (think beaten with bats/2X4s, teeth ripped out, set on fire), and they still show no human aggression.

That said, the owners in the OP are definitely douchebags. If you're not going to be a responsible owner, you shouldn't own a pitbull or any other medium or larger sized dog. You really shouldn't own a dog at all, but I realize there are more serious consequences owning some than others.

As far as owners in general, I'll give you that the majority of ones that get theirs from a breeder and are so concerned with their bloodlines - for them it's the equivalent of the nutsack on the pickup, but for the families that get theirs through rescue, I don't think that is the case at all.

I think you're touching on the truth here. It's not that pitbulls are inherently bad, but that they have a reputation that attracts the biggest assholes as owners and so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I've seen both sides of it from Pitbull owners I've known. One friend rescued 2 of them and they are not aggressive in any way...but I believe she had to spend a good amount of effort socializing the dogs and working through that.

I've known others that have had pitbulls and their dogs are a different story. By nature, Pittbulls are aggressive, but their not the only breed I've seen like that. By coincidence they're just incredibly strong. I have no desire to have one, but then again....I'd give away all 3 dogs we have if i could.

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It's also selection bias. Pit bull attacks make the news. Other dog attacks don't. It's also the name is menacing whereas a golden retriever sounds like a nice little friend.

Any ban on pit bulls should ban any similarly sized dog. Otherwise it is like banning Camel cigarettes because they are dangerous but not banning other brands.

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Yeah, I do see that as an issue and in general I see those as the people that get their pit through backyard breeders. For families or individuals that get their dog through a rescue, we do as much as we possibly can to vet the applicants - to the point we get trashed by some for making the process too difficult, so that we can be as certain as possible that the dog is going to a good, responsible home. It's certainly not perfect, but I'd put the record of dogs we've placed against the greater dog population in terms of incidents, and I think we'd compare favorably.

Brother in law has a small female that they rescued. She is a pussy cat and he is about as far from nuts on a truck that you can imagine. I actually think it was his wife that got the dog. Whatever, I do see more than a few of these dogs in yards that have trucks with vert exhaust pipes, confederate flag decals and truck nuts so there is something to it.

I think Sneakers can probably a test to the sheer enormity of the amount of pits in shelters, especially in more urban areas. My wife worked in a shelter in Montana a long, long time ago and they'd have to go to conferences and Pits and BBD's (Big black dogs) were the most common and hardest dogs to get adopted out.Didn't have too many pits in Bozeman however.

I could definitely see that. A responsible rescue should dog test before pulling, but that's certainly not thorough enough to know for sure. For fostering, we recommend separating for two weeks. Some don't need near that much time, but there are some cases that can take longer, which definitely sucks for the foster. For adoptions, since theoretically we have more time (the dog is in a foster home, safe from being killed), we can take it more slowly, have the foster dog meet the applicant's dog, multiple times if need be, to make sure it's a good fit. Even then it makes sense to take it slow in the beginning, while the dog gets used to it's new environment.

Personally, we lucked out on that. It helped that we got her from CACC when she was very young, but our she got along with our dogs immediately. My Lab mix and Golden Retriever occasionally got into fights, and our pit would run and hide. She has zero prey drive - gets along fine with cats, and once she found a rabbit that got itself stuck in a fence, and she just sniffed its butt until I freed it.

Completely agree.

All dogs should be shot.

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We were renting out a house and the people who do the insurance for the property had a list of dogs that tenant couldn't have. I think it was Doberman, Rottie and pittbull. I mean, I can think of dozens of other dog breeds that are equivelent to these breeds but because they are rarer they haven't met the requirements.

you're late, i was expecting you by the 2nd or 3rd post

the american pitbull is bred to be protective and to also hate other dogs. its pure genetics. i have a few friends with them but they got them when they were in their 20's and these dogs are pushing 10 and are basically gentle giants. he won't be getting more.

as much as pits are close to the worst dog on the planet, the worst dog is the pug. its just boils my blood to see one of these genetic calamities

Absolutely...go to the any of the transfer teams on FB (CACC, AACC, JTAC, etc) and you can see the overwhelming majority of dogs are pit mixes.

Certainly is the breed to get on in last 10-15 years. Prior to that Rotts and before them Dobes. Meh. Good and bad I am sure.

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I should add the first incident my one dog hurt her leg and I didn't think at the time she was bit bc I never heard a scream or saw any blood...but when I took her into the vet the next day to have her leg looked at, it turns out she did- although it wasn't very bad thankfully. So completely my fault for not calling the cops at the time this happened, but now this asshole won't even pay the vet bill...maybe shakes can weigh in but i'm assuming my chance to sue him in small clamis court is gone since I don't have a police report

Not sure if shakes can help but I think JORR may have a friend in Arizona who can help you with your problem.

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