the american pitbull is bred to be protective and to also hate other dogs. its pure genetics. i have a few friends with them but they got them when they were in their 20's and these dogs are pushing 10 and are basically gentle giants. he won't be getting more.

as much as pits are close to the worst dog on the planet, the worst dog is the pug. its just boils my blood to see one of these genetic calamities

Fuck a high strung standard poodle. There's this big brown cocksucker in my neighborhood named Fido. The owner is this dumb broad who let's it run off leash in the park behind my house. Every time it sees me running it comes bounding over like a fucking lunatic, barking and stripping its teeth. It's nearly knocked me down on a couple occasions and once it grabbed my jacket in its teeth. I told its owner I was going to start carrying mace and when this fucker came at me I wasn't going to mace the dog, I was going to mace her.

When I was relating this story to my cousins at Christmas they all laughed like "JORR got bothered by a poodle " as if this thing was some kind of teacup sitting on Paris Hilton's lap. Fido is as big as a German Shepherd and as mean as any pitbull.

I'll agree with you that, imo, poodles are about as insane as any breed, and they do sometimes come in the size you suggest.

That said, pitbulls (which isn't a breed, it's a cacophony of semi-related breeds) get essentially all the press though ... and with good reason.
Also, they do seem to have an inordinate percentage of careless, callous, and/or brainless owners, so that's probably part of it.

What JORR said.

The issue is that one side thinks they're all rabid killers and the other side says it's the owners, not the breed. Both lines of thought are stupid. They can be good dogs with the right owner but they can still snap due to things that aren't in anyone's control. When other dogs snap, people get bit. When a pitbull snaps, people die. They're basically land sharks.

How many humans die from pit bulls a year?

i'm sure you'll focus on the 'die' part, but here's a good start

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... statistics

i'm sure you'll focus on the 'die' part, but here's a good start

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... statistics

do they have an agenda ? being honest i'm not familiar but sounds like you are

I told its owner I was going to start carrying mace and when this fucker came at me I wasn't going to mace the dog, I was going to mace her.

do they have an agenda ? being honest i'm not familiar but sounds like you are

...and we get our first dogsbite.org reference.

Sorry about that...yes, they do have an agenda. Obviously, I see now that wasn't your intention, but this is what I was referencing in my first post. Generally each side has their own stats that have been debunked or allegedly debunked by some other study and it goes nowhere. That's why I always try to suggest spending less time listening to the media or googling stuff and just actually spend some time with actual pitbull type dogs. I get that not everyone has the time or cares that much, but it's pretty eye opening.

I don't think I've ever seen one person change their mind in these discussion where we just throw stats at each other and say the other sides stats are garbage, but if anyone actually has an open mind I would suggest volunteering at a shelter or attending an adoption even to actually spend some time around pitbulls. You can pm me, and I'll try to set it up. I've volunteered since 2011 and I've been around literally hundreds of pitbulls and I promise you the overwhelming majority are good natured clowns, even when they've had a rough past. And rough is understating it, for every pitbull attack you see (admittedly horrible), I can show you numerous cases of abused pits (think beaten with bats/2X4s, teeth ripped out, set on fire), and they still show no human aggression.

That said, the owners in the OP are definitely douchebags. If you're not going to be a responsible owner, you shouldn't own a pitbull or any other medium or larger sized dog. You really shouldn't own a dog at all, but I realize there are more serious consequences owning some than others.

As far as owners in general, I'll give you that the majority of ones that get theirs from a breeder and are so concerned with their bloodlines - for them it's the equivalent of the nutsack on the pickup, but for the families that get theirs through rescue, I don't think that is the case at all.

Good to see you on the "Ban things that are dangerous" bandwagon!

Certainly is the breed to get on in last 10-15 years. Prior to that Rotts and before them Dobes. Meh. Good and bad I am sure.

No it wasn't my intention; admittedly i don't have valid statistics in front of me so yea i did a 5 second google search . apologies

could you please quote where i said that ? in fact in the first 2 posts i made i said i have no issue with people owning them provided they can control them.

yeah, i'd be in favor of that

i'll focus on "ban them" since that's what was said

If you remove pit bulls another dog would take it's place and then suddenly that would be the problem. The final solution is only having dogs that a person can pick up and punt when they threaten them.

This

I live in hope that someday Pitbull, the talentless singer, will be mauled by a pack of roving pit bulls.

Banning the breeding of pit bulls is a ban.

I don't think we should ban cigarettes, I just don't think we should make any more of them. The cigarettes that exist already can still exist!

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

No need to apologize. That person really knows how to do optimization and it's hard to get around it. That person was supposedly bit by a dog and then it took over their life on a path to destroy all pit bulls. Just reading the site it becomes clear that this person is somewhat obsessed.

If you remove pit bulls another dog would take it's place and then suddenly that would be the problem. The final solution is only having dogs that a person can pick up and punt when they threaten them.

I don't care enough to argue either, but I know people who have bred and trained American Staffordshire Terriers for 40+ years. Their dogs have never attacked anybody. Shitty dogs start with shitty owners.

A short time ago this morning my 2 dogs were accosted on a walk by a pitbull, making this the 2nd time in the past 3 weeks. The first time the owner had it tethered to a piece of twine or something in the front yard, this time (different dogs/owners) it was off a leash in these people's garage. Go ahead and own one, but I think you certainly need to exercise a greater amount of care than if you owned say, a poodle. Unfortunately the majority of the people that own these dogs are the exact opposite, they could care less. Fuck these assholes.

Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.

I don't like being around pit bulls after dealing with them as a mail carrier during college for a summers.