I'm not asking you to feel sorry for anyone. But I will say that there's a big difference between critiquing a president and trying to run one out of office from Day 1 because your preferred candidate lost. I assume most people don't like the opposing candidate. That's why they voted for the other guy. Unless we want to trash the whole system we have to accept the results when the guy we voted for loses.



I don't use the term "snowflake" to refer to people, but of course Trump is thin-skinned. I don't think even those who voted for him would disagree with that. And what does "red flagged" mean? That they had some business ties in Russia? That they made some phone calls there? It's a big leap from there to saying that they sat down with foreign operatives to figure out how to steal a U.S. election.



That's just it. I don't think Trump is placing himself above institutions any more than Obama did. Obama actually ordered his Justice Department to ignore laws he didn't like. Trump has a grating personality. He's an asshole. A lot of people thought Clinton "deserved" to be president. These are all reasons why Trump is taking the heat he is when Bush and Obama did not, at least not to anywhere near the same degree. The presidency is an institution too. It shouldn't be denigrated by congressmen screaming "RESIST!" because they're angry that Hillary Clinton lost.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

He is the President but he isn't a dictator.

Is he acting like a dictator? Because the last guy refused to enforce laws passed by Congress and I don't recall you ever calling him a dictator. That's certainly as dictator-like as anything Trump has done, yet nobody on CNN ever rolled his eyes at Jay Carney.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I'm not the biggest Obama supporter and I've been openly critical of him on here.

Everyone who disagrees with Trump is just a sore Hillary supporter.

The media (probably somewhat true there)
The intelligence communities
Military leaders
Democrats
Republicans
Europe
The UN
His own Cabinet
His wife
The Pope

Are all just Hillarettes.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I just hate when your argument devolves into generalizations about Hillary supporters. Clearly, I and many others who are critical of him aren't Hillary supporters.

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

You're misunderstanding my point. The RESIST! movement is driven by people who are upset that Hillary Clinton lost.

And the whole Russia thing is an outgrowth of the thought that "How could the noble Hillary actually lose to this crass beast unless the fix was in?" Otherwise it would be a bipartisan effort including the president to try to attempt to make sure no foreign power can meddle in future elections rather than a backward-looking hunt to prove that Trump isn't really president.

It's not a backward hunt. It started well before Trump became president. I'll respond in detail later but this whole because they're mad at Hillary losing stuff and the resist thing has been thoroughly dismantled in several other threads. It just doesn't square with the facts. And the investigation is bipartisan. Why isn't the president complying? Is he also mad that Hillary lost?

Come on. The endgame is to try and depose Trump. He may be be a dipshit but he's smart enough to know that. And the focus on Russian meddling in the election has changed over time to looking for collusion of which nobody has provided evidence and now that it is become clear that such is the case the investigation is morphing into an obstruction of justice case when there was nothing to obstruct. I'm not sure how you can argue that this isn't about "Get Trump".

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

Agreed...if Hillary had won, there would be no investigation into Russia interference. That doesn't mean people weren't speculating about the Trump-Russia connection last year (starting when he mused that gee, it might be nice if we had good relations with Russia...and some were actually outraged at that comment!). All it means is that people were adding it to their list of excuses as Hillary began to unravel.

I smell a bit....

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

You're misunderstanding my point. The RESIST! movement is driven by people who are upset that Hillary Clinton lost.

And the whole Russia thing is an outgrowth of the thought that "How could the noble Hillary actually lose to this crass beast unless the fix was in?" Otherwise it would be a bipartisan effort including the president to try to attempt to make sure no foreign power can meddle in future elections rather than a backward-looking hunt to prove that Trump isn't really president.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Agreed...if Hillary had won, there would be no investigation into Russia interference. That doesn't mean people weren't speculating about the Trump-Russia connection last year (starting when he mused that gee, it might be nice if we had good relations with Russia...and some were actually outraged at that comment!). All it means is that people were adding it to their list of excuses as Hillary began to unravel.

Jaw Breaker, JORR, and Pitt Mike:

Can you all explain why you think there would be no investigation into Russia's interference had Clinton won? Keep in mind the parameters of the eventual investigation had already began well before Trump won. In fact Clinton was the front-runner when the intelligence agencies informed the Obama administration about the interference one year ago, several months before Trump won. So factually what you guys are saying cannot be true, and I just want to see if you're basing this assertion on something other than facts.

Jaw Breaker, JORR, and Pitt Mike:

Can you all explain why you think there would be no investigation into Russia's interference had Clinton won? Keep in mind the parameters of the eventual investigation had already began well before Trump won. In fact Clinton was the front-runner when the intelligence agencies informed the Obama administration about the interference one year ago, several months before Trump won. So factually what you guys are saying cannot be true, and I just want to see if you're basing this assertion on something other than facts.

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I wanted Hillary to win but I'm good with having this goof in office. I don't get the sense that people are angry about her losing. Trump created his own bed and the statements that he got away with during the campaign carry more weight now. He is the President and he is making a mockery of the office. He is an utter embarrassment and it's not because of anything that the media has done. It's because of him and an incessant need that he has to bring attention to himself. He is the political equivalent of a damn shock jock.

Trump was also a terrible candidate and ran a terrible campaign too. How soon we forget the freak show that was the convention. 3 campaign managers. Blowing off debates because he didn't like the coverag. God awful debate performances. Lack of preparation during performances. Overt racist comments and misogyny. Numerous lies and nothing which even suggests that he is qualified for the job.

I wanted Hillary to win but I'm good with having this goof in office. I don't get the sense that people are angry about her losing. Trump created his own bed and the statements that he got away with during the campaign carry more weight now. He is the President and he is making a mockery of the office. He is an utter embarrassment and it's not because of anything that the media has done. It's because of him and an incessant need that he has to bring attention to himself. He is the political equivalent of a damn shock jock.

I smell a bit....

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

How many more times does ltg get to say "Stop talking about Hillary!" while also talking about Hillary?

How many more times does ltg get to say "Stop talking about Hillary!" while also talking about Hillary? I think this is at least the third time.

I smell a bit....

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How many more times does ltg get to say "Stop talking about Hillary!" while also talking about Hillary? I think this is at least the third time.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.