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The thought originally was that the guy created the .gif. Since that was the original premise, then he was "actively in the news" whether he intended to be or not. That happens all the time.
I even think that is a little bit of a stretch. If Donald Trump retweets your last post do you become a public figure?

You are conflating 2 different things: "actively in the news" and "public figure." They are not identical.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

Even for a Purdue guy you are being obtuse. They guy made a gif that became part of the story. Ergo, he became part of the story even though he is not a public figure.


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Here is a deadspin blogger portraying the kfile guy as a martyr.

http://gizmodo.com/how-cnn-made-its-own ... 1796656983

The explanation provided in that link for why that statement of legalese was added makes zero sense


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
billypootons wrote:
Here is a deadspin blogger portraying the kfile guy as a martyr.

http://gizmodo.com/how-cnn-made-its-own ... 1796656983

The explanation provided in that link for why that statement of legalese was added makes zero sense


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If you think a joke .GIF is policy we should find out who you are and remove you from society so your stupid thoughts can't cause any harm.

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WAS THERE COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE CREATOR OF THE .GIF????? I think we need a committee to investigate. Jeff Sessions is probably working on anti-Hillary memes all day in the Capitol basement.

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Peter Puck wrote:
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The thought originally was that the guy created the .gif. Since that was the original premise, then he was "actively in the news" whether he intended to be or not. That happens all the time.
I even think that is a little bit of a stretch. If Donald Trump retweets your last post do you become a public figure?

You are conflating 2 different things: "actively in the news" and "public figure." They are not identical.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

Even for a Purdue guy you are being obtuse. They guy made a gif that became part of the story. Ergo, he became part of the story even though he is not a public figure.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

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What is it with everyone calling Rick obtuse now? I've never noticed.

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What is it with everyone calling Rick obtuse now? I've never noticed.


I think he's acute.

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Peter Puck wrote:
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The thought originally was that the guy created the .gif. Since that was the original premise, then he was "actively in the news" whether he intended to be or not. That happens all the time.
I even think that is a little bit of a stretch. If Donald Trump retweets your last post do you become a public figure?

You are conflating 2 different things: "actively in the news" and "public figure." They are not identical.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

Even for a Purdue guy you are being obtuse. They guy made a gif that became part of the story. Ergo, he became part of the story even though he is not a public figure.


1. No, he didn't. HanAssholeSolo did not create the GIF tweeted out by Trump. In fact, what Trump tweeted wasn't even a GIF. At best, HAS's work was merely the inspiration for someone who does Trump's digital media.

2. Even if the one tweeted was made by HAS, saying it's acceptable or ethically sound to report his name, address and place of occupation is absurd. HanAssholeSolo created and posted the GIF, the person behind the moniker is not newsworthy. The public has no interest in who made a goddamned GIF.

CNN wanted to fire back at Trump, and thought they struck gold when they found out that they could pin the creation of Trump's tweet on a bigoted redditor, while also signalling their own virtue by not doxxing him, but still implying they would doxx him if he rescinded his apology and started posting on T_D again.


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What is it with everyone calling Rick obtuse now? I've never noticed.

I just take it as a desperate attempt to defend a bad point.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
The thought originally was that the guy created the .gif. Since that was the original premise, then he was "actively in the news" whether he intended to be or not. That happens all the time.
I even think that is a little bit of a stretch. If Donald Trump retweets your last post do you become a public figure?

You are conflating 2 different things: "actively in the news" and "public figure." They are not identical.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

Even for a Purdue guy you are being obtuse. They guy made a gif that became part of the story. Ergo, he became part of the story even though he is not a public figure.


1. No, he didn't. HanAssholeSolo did not create the GIF tweeted out by Trump. In fact, what Trump tweeted wasn't even a GIF. At best, HAS's work was merely the inspiration for someone who does Trump's digital media.

2. Even if the one tweeted was made by HAS, saying it's acceptable or ethically sound to report his name, address and place of occupation is absurd. HanAssholeSolo created and posted the GIF, the person behind the moniker is not newsworthy. The public has no interest in who made a goddamned GIF.

CNN wanted to fire back at Trump, and thought they struck gold when they found out that they could pin the creation of Trump's tweet on a bigoted redditor, while also signalling their own virtue by not doxxing him, but still implying they would doxx him if he rescinded his apology and started posting on T_D again.

Exactly. This guy didn't even know. I could almost understand if he tweeted it to Trump or if Trump paid him. This guy almost had his life ruined because he made a funny gif and someone else stole it or the idea.

It is scary so many think this guy deserved to have his life ruined.

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Legally CNN can doxx anyone they want. The coercion part they can't.

It is wrong for a news organization that uses anonymous sources to out someone out of spite though.


Agreed.

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I love the fact that CNN is getting blasted here. This is hilarious. Glad they're learning about consequences for fucking with the power of the internet.

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I love the fact that CNN is getting blasted here. This is hilarious. Glad they're learning about consequences for fucking with the power of the internet.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Peter Puck wrote:
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The thought originally was that the guy created the .gif. Since that was the original premise, then he was "actively in the news" whether he intended to be or not. That happens all the time.
I even think that is a little bit of a stretch. If Donald Trump retweets your last post do you become a public figure?

You are conflating 2 different things: "actively in the news" and "public figure." They are not identical.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

Even for a Purdue guy you are being obtuse. They guy made a gif that became part of the story. Ergo, he became part of the story even though he is not a public figure.

If he isn't a public figure then outing him is wrong.

He's a racist, anti-Semite. He deserves to be outed so people know what he is really like when they deal with him offline.


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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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What is it with everyone calling Rick obtuse now? I've never noticed.

I just take it as a desperate attempt to defend a bad point.

If you didn't insist on conflating being part of the story (even if mistakenly so) with being a public figure, it wouldn't happen.


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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.

Edit- that being said, do I really care who these idiots are? Am i going to work to out anyone? No. But, don't go all wussy if you say crap.and then get outed.


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He's a racist, anti-Semite. He deserves to be outed so people know what he is really like when they deal with him offline.


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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


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Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


What about people who do other disagreeable things like get abortions or donate to a radical preacher or Imam? What's more, who gets to decide what is disagreeable and deserves public outing and shaming? You? Twitter?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


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And if I cared what you thought, I'd listen to your podcast. But, I don't.


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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.

And who is to decide what speech is unpopular?
Dude if you were smart and reasonable you'd defend to your death the right of the klan or Nazis to shout their message from a mountaintop? Someday what you think is right might be considered unpopular speech.
Are you prepared to be required to be held accountable for your thoughts, be they as they may less extreme than Nazi extremism? I mean what we have here iin this case isn't exactly Nazism or klan speak, we can certainly agree, yes?

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We need to amend the First Amendment to include an anti-doxxing provision that protects against the government AND private parties from airing your dirty laundry!

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And if I cared what you thought, I'd listen to your podcast. But, I don't.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


What about people who do other disagreeable things like get abortions or donate to a radical preacher or Imam? What's more, who gets to decide what is disagreeable and deserves public outing and shaming? You? Twitter?

I don't think medical procedures aee comparable to people making public statements in public online forums.


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Darkside wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.

And who is to decide what speech is unpopular?
Dude if you were smart and reasonable you'd defend to your death the right of the klan or Nazis to shout their message from a mountaintop? Someday what you think is right might be considered unpopular speech.
Are you prepared to be required to be held accountable for your thoughts, be they as they may less extreme than Nazi extremism? I mean what we have here iin this case isn't exactly Nazism or klan speak, we can certainly agree, yes?

I defend the rights of the Nazis, Klansman, the doofus in this instance, to say whatever they want. I've never said differently.


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We need to amend the First Amendment to include an anti-doxxing provision that protects against the government AND private parties from airing your dirty laundry!

Why can't people be held accountable for what they say? That's absurd.


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Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


What about people who do other disagreeable things like get abortions or donate to a radical preacher or Imam? What's more, who gets to decide what is disagreeable and deserves public outing and shaming? You? Twitter?

I don't think medical procedures aee comparable to people making public statements in public online forums.

Do you believe that the contents of the "What do you do to unwind" thread, in which some confess guilt to misdemeanors, should be used as a reason to expose the true identities of the posters real names and divulgence of that information to their employers which would certainly create a strong case for their dismissal?

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