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Peter Puck
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Again, what is wrong with being held accountable for what you say or post? Julie DiCaro certainly is by you. And there is nothing wrong with thst.
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


What about people who do other disagreeable things like get abortions or donate to a radical preacher or Imam? What's more, who gets to decide what is disagreeable and deserves public outing and shaming? You? Twitter?

I don't think medical procedures aee comparable to people making public statements in public online forums.

Do you believe that the contents of the "What do you do to unwind" thread, in which some confess guilt to misdemeanors, should be used as a reason to expose the true identities of the posters real names and divulgence of that information to their employers which would certainly create a strong case for their dismissal?


Should that be done? No. Could that be done? Yes.

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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.

And who is to decide what speech is unpopular?
Dude if you were smart and reasonable you'd defend to your death the right of the klan or Nazis to shout their message from a mountaintop? Someday what you think is right might be considered unpopular speech.
Are you prepared to be required to be held accountable for your thoughts, be they as they may less extreme than Nazi extremism? I mean what we have here iin this case isn't exactly Nazism or klan speak, we can certainly agree, yes?

I defend the rights of the Nazis, Klansman, the doofus in this instance, to say whatever they want. I've never said differently.

So you believe that free speech does not exist in anonymity, only with a true signature?
So... If you were alive in the mid 1700s, you would believe that Benjamin Franklin should be exposed by name for his Silence Dogood letters?

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Peter Puck wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peter Puck likes Chilling Effects. Imagine that.

Again, what is wrong with being held accountable for what you say or post? Julie DiCaro certainly is by you. And there is nothing wrong with thst.


Because Julie DiCaro is a public figure. Apples and bowling balls.
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Peter Puck wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peter Puck likes Chilling Effects. Imagine that.

Again, what is wrong with being held accountable for what you say or post? Julie DiCaro certainly is by you. And there is nothing wrong with thst.

You say being held accountable as if this man has committed some type of crime. Do you believe he committed a crime?

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Darkside wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.


What about people who do other disagreeable things like get abortions or donate to a radical preacher or Imam? What's more, who gets to decide what is disagreeable and deserves public outing and shaming? You? Twitter?

I don't think medical procedures aee comparable to people making public statements in public online forums.

Do you believe that the contents of the "What do you do to unwind" thread, in which some confess guilt to misdemeanors, should be used as a reason to expose the true identities of the posters real names and divulgence of that information to their employers which would certainly create a strong case for their dismissal?

A. I've never read the thread. B. I wouldn't do so, pwrsonally. C. If I were counseling an employer who ran across that thread, I would say that whatever was posted in that thread should.be taken with a grain of salt and probably could not be relied upon to base an employment decision.
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If I were counseling an employer who ran across that thread, I would say that whatever was posted in that thread should.be taken with a grain of salt and probably could not be relied upon to base an employment decision.

Really? Why?

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Darkside wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter... should anyone with unpopular speech be publically outed?

Yes. Say what you want, but prepare to be held accountable. If you want to parade with the Klan or the Nazis or Mike Madigan, you should be outed so your neighbors can shun you, if they so choose.

And who is to decide what speech is unpopular?
Dude if you were smart and reasonable you'd defend to your death the right of the klan or Nazis to shout their message from a mountaintop? Someday what you think is right might be considered unpopular speech.
Are you prepared to be required to be held accountable for your thoughts, be they as they may less extreme than Nazi extremism? I mean what we have here iin this case isn't exactly Nazism or klan speak, we can certainly agree, yes?

I defend the rights of the Nazis, Klansman, the doofus in this instance, to say whatever they want. I've never said differently.

So you believe that free speech does not exist in anonymity, only with a true signature?
So... If you were alive in the mid 1700s, you would believe that Benjamin Franklin should be exposed by name for his Silence Dogood letters?

"Free speech" as in 1st Amendment Free Speech does not.protect you from your fellow.citizens from having a negative opinion of you for your thoughts. Sorry. Anonymity has nothing to do with it. It is wholly irrelevant to the concept.
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Darkside wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peter Puck likes Chilling Effects. Imagine that.

Again, what is wrong with being held accountable for what you say or post? Julie DiCaro certainly is by you. And there is nothing wrong with thst.

You say being held accountable as if this man has committed some type of crime. Do you believe he committed a crime?

One can be held accountable for his thoughts, ideas, biases etc. No, he did not commit a crime.
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So when you're saying "held accountable", what exactly do you mean? The average citizen taking matters into their own hands via harassment or are you referring to something else?

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Darkside wrote:
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If I were counseling an employer who ran across that thread, I would say that whatever was posted in that thread should.be taken with a grain of salt and probably could not be relied upon to base an employment decision.

Really? Why?

Because if you had to go to court, it would be extremely hard to prove who actually posted the post, even with the UP number. There was a recent 2d Dist. of Illinois case that dealt with the admissibility of a Facebook post. Got reversed.
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Peter Puck wrote:
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If I were counseling an employer who ran across that thread, I would say that whatever was posted in that thread should.be taken with a grain of salt and probably could not be relied upon to base an employment decision.

Really? Why?

Because if you had to go to court, it would be extremely hard to prove who actually posted the post, even with the UP number. There was a recent 2d Dist. of Illinois case that dealt with the admissibility of a Facebook post. Got reversed.

Interesting. How does that differ from the reddit/CNN case?

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So when you're saying "held accountable", what exactly do you mean? The average citizen taking matters into their own hands via harassment or are you referring to something else?

I'm not talking pitchforks or violence.

Didn't some stockbroker get fired for some sexist tweet he made after people notified his boss? I've got no problem with boycotts, etc.

I can tell you I don't shop at Hobby Lobby or eat at Chix-fil-a or Oberweiss.
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Darkside wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter Puck wrote:
If I were counseling an employer who ran across that thread, I would say that whatever was posted in that thread should.be taken with a grain of salt and probably could not be relied upon to base an employment decision.

Really? Why?

Because if you had to go to court, it would be extremely hard to prove who actually posted the post, even with the UP number. There was a recent 2d Dist. of Illinois case that dealt with the admissibility of a Facebook post. Got reversed.

Interesting. How does that differ from the reddit/CNN case?

Didn't the guy admit he made/posted the gif?
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Been nice chatting. Good discussion. I've got to go. I'm sure I'll get tarred while I'm gone. That's fine. I'm a man, over 40.
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Peter Puck wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
If I were counseling an employer who ran across that thread, I would say that whatever was posted in that thread should.be taken with a grain of salt and probably could not be relied upon to base an employment decision.

Really? Why?

Because if you had to go to court, it would be extremely hard to prove who actually posted the post, even with the UP number. There was a recent 2d Dist. of Illinois case that dealt with the admissibility of a Facebook post. Got reversed.

Interesting. How does that differ from the reddit/CNN case?

Didn't the guy admit he made/posted the gif?

Perhaps. He admitted to making a similar gif, and whether its the one that that trump tweeted remains questionablen but did he admit to the posts that you found more offensive? Are those other posts problematic for the reasons that you raised with the "unwind" thread?

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Been nice chatting. Good discussion. I've got to go. I'm sure I'll get tarred while I'm gone. That's fine. I'm a man, over 40.

Peace out.

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Peter Puck wrote:
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So when you're saying "held accountable", what exactly do you mean? The average citizen taking matters into their own hands via harassment or are you referring to something else?

I'm not talking pitchforks or violence.

Didn't some stockbroker get fired for some sexist tweet he made after people notified his boss? I've got no problem with boycotts, etc.

I can tell you I don't shop at Hobby Lobby or eat at Chix-fil-a or Oberweiss.


Do you wear a safety pin to signal you're an ally and let other men fuck your wife while you watch too?

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Maybe CNN should have a show where they doxx Trump supporters.

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Maybe CNN should have a show where they doxx Trump supporters.


Like History Channel's Hunting Hitler but with neo Nazis?

"Tonight on To Catch a Redditor....."

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Maybe CNN should have a show where they doxx Trump supporters.


MANY of them would probably enjoy that.

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Maybe CNN should have a show where they doxx Trump supporters.


Like History Channel's Hunting Hitler but with neo Nazi s?

I mean the normal Trump fanatics. Like Panther and Beerfan.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
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Maybe CNN should have a show where they doxx Trump supporters.


Like History Channel's Hunting Hitler but with neo Nazi s?

I mean the normal Trump fanatics. Like Panther and Beerfan.


I think Adam LaRoche already caught beerfan when he was working undercover in those sex rings

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So apparently Kaczynski himself didn't write the blackmail line, but rather a CNN editor added it after he submitted the story.

If I'm Kaczynski, I'm fucking pissed at my employer as they have really left him hung out to dry here and have allowed the Internet to attribute something toh im that he never did.

Then again, it's hard to feel sympathy for him if you recall he blamed the 2013 Boston bombings on a missing college student based off of a reddit post.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/it-makes ... kaczynski/

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Good thing 4chan waited for all the facts before unleashing their psycho brand of internet justice.

They're known for being totally fair and normal.
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Good thing 4chan waited for all the facts before unleashing their psycho brand of internet justice.

They're known for being totally fair and normal.

Is the internet at large known for waiting on facts?

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Kirkwood wrote:
Good thing 4chan waited for all the facts before unleashing their psycho brand of internet justice.

They're known for being totally fair and normal.

Is the internet at large known for waiting on facts?

There is a huge difference between people like the Red Heffer yelling at people and what 4chan does.
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Kirkwood wrote:
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Good thing 4chan waited for all the facts before unleashing their psycho brand of internet justice.

They're known for being totally fair and normal.

Is the internet at large known for waiting on facts?

There is a huge difference between people like the Red Heffer yelling at people and what 4chan does.

I don't think anyone here likes 4chan. Do you feel sorry for CNN?

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Kirkwood wrote:
Good thing 4chan waited for all the facts before unleashing their psycho brand of internet justice.

They're known for being totally fair and normal.

CNN never even released that fact, the fact only came out last night from Kaczynski's former editor at Buzzfeed (who I'm guessing Kaczynski used as a proxy here).

CNN is still hanging him out before the fire here. Blame them for creating the situation. CNN could've cleared this up by not adding the line or saying an editor added it that night.

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