This means the strong likelihood of death of the mother, child, or both. Even then, it will almost certainly be an early delivery at that stage and only when the life of the baby and/or mother requires it.

That isn't true at all and the doctor would lose their license and probably face criminal charges.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

"Medical need" does not refer to the baby which isn't even discussed as a baby but is called a fetus. Mental stress to the mother is a "medical need". That's a fact. I'm not really interested in arguing about it. If you want to be mistaken it's fine with me.

I don't have opinions on abortion that are based on deep religious conviction. My viewpoint is simply that I believe human life should be sacred and that it shouldn't be terminated by other men. I'm against the death penalty and euthanasia as well. Now, if you want to give me the who you crappin' treatment and get into a deep philosophical discussion about how much my view is actually informed by religion, that's going to go on for a long time. Why does human life have value anyway? What makes us believe it does?

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Welcome to the times we live in.

If presented with a fact(s) that I do not like, I'll tell myself it's false.

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I know but I'm giving JORR the benefit of the doubt.

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No, you are wrong. You just flat out are. Any doctor who performs an abortion an hour before the birth would have happened is going to lose their license and likely face criminal charges if they do it because the mother is stressed.

Viability is a medical term.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's an interpretation, not a fact. It's actually just a possible interpretation.

I think that this interpretation would not hold up in a medical establishment. And if it did, and the public found out, then the Civil War would commence immediately.

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Is it legal for a doctor to stab you?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It is a fact, whether you like or not.

And you wouldn't find out. Unless the woman, doctor or nurse chose to tell you which is HIGHLY unlikely.

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So nobody has a verifiable fact about an abortion being performed in Illinois after 24 weeks where the medical necessity was stress on the mother?

Cool.

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No, it's not a fact.

What's a fact is that the doctor could perform the abortion. It's not a fact that he could perform it for the reason stated. That's an interpretation, a possibility.

Whether an investigator would* uncover this, I really have no idea.

* or could

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No, but what we have is the state saying that it is LEGAL in certain instances.

Cognitive Dissonance is not your friend.

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The State is saying that doctors can perform an abortion after 24 weeks because of stress on the mother?

Please provide that link.

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But not this instance (fear of violent zealot parents)

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Cutting your chest wide open is LEGAL in certain instances too.

I also have bad news for you, if you are going down this route, then even if you banned abortions completely, these rare cases would still exist as it would be malpractice to let the mother and child die while waiting for a time in which actual birth could take place.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Does somebody saying "It can happen and has happened" count?

Under the Hippocratic Oath, I do not believe that a real doctor would ever perform an abortion on a fetus that was within hours of being born-- which in some cases might mean the Mother is in labor-- simply due to "mental stress" on the mother's part.

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Planned Parenthood of Illinois will only provide abortions up to 19 weeks, 6 days. We should tell them that they don't have to worry about that any more!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The Hippocratic Oath became moot when the legalized abortion.

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That's between a woman and her doctor.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Don't try to pretend like you didn't just do a quick google search for evidence, and came up empty handed.

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You know that doctors have oversight right?

A week 39 abortion would get a lot of scrutiny.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Medical stress is a real condition.

I don't know of any specific cases where an abortion was done after 24 weeks.

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Need an actual lawyer to weigh in here, but wouldn't "medical need" be defined either by the law or subsequent case law stemming from enaction of the bill?



This makes it sound like doctors who sign their names to forms reasoning that the mother "would just DIE if her strict parents found out about the child" would go to prison rather quickly.

Medical stress is not the same as mental stress.

....if it were done because of "mental stress" on the mother, it sure would.

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Like Planned Parenthood's selling of body parts did?

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You sign HIPPA paperwork every time that you first visit a doctor.

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Just lining up the debunked talking points today aren't we?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I didn't. I know I've read articles with a "doctors" making the argument that just about anything could be a medical reason.

Like I told you, I'm not that interested. You want to kill babies? Go ahead. Pull 'em out with forceps at 22 weeks or 35 weeks or drop them off buildings after they're born. Maybe humans have no more inherent value than the pig I'm gonna eat for lunch.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Links, please.

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More Cognitive Dissonance.

I have swampland for sale too.

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