https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Please note the distinction between the "Life and Health" and "Life and Physical Health" exceptions and figure out for yourself what exactly the difference is.

Sec. 5. (1) When the fetus is viable no abortion shall be performed unless in the medical judgment of the attending or referring physician, based on the particular facts of the case before him, it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. Intentional, knowing, or reckless failure to conform to the requirements of subsection (1) of Section 5 is a Class 2 felony.

(2) When the fetus is viable the physician shall certify in writing, on a form prescribed by the Department under Section 10 of this Law, the medical indications which, in his medical judgment based on the particular facts of the case before him, warrant performance of the abortion to preserve the life or health of the mother.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Please note the distinction between the "Life and Health" and "Life and Physical Health" exceptions and figure out for yourself what exactly the difference is.

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There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Or we can, you know, read the actual law on the subject:



Clinging to the lack of the term "physical" in front of "health" in the letter of the law doesn't seem like a really solid position. The terms you should really focus on are the things like "medical indications" and "medical judgement". I've never even seen a med school, much less been inside one, but I don't think they have a course on religious fundamentalist parents of patients. Maybe that kind of shit is covered in residency, I don't know.

Or we can, you know, read the actual law on the subject:



Clinging to the lack of the term "physical" in front of "health" in the letter of the law doesn't seem like a really solid position. The terms you should really focus on are the things like "medical indications" and "medical judgement". I've never even seen a med school, much less been inside one, but I don't think they have a course on religious fundamentalist parents of patients. Maybe that kind of shit is covered in residency, I don't know.

Why do you think such distinction need be made?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93552&page=1

"Michigan and 39 other states prohibit late-term abortions except to preserve the health or life of the mother, a decision usually left to the doctor."

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

You're assuming that the difference in the letters of the various laws on the topic from several different states is a concerted effort to create a distinction. There may not be an intended difference between "health" and "physical health". These laws were passed at different times by different lawmakers.

Yes.

Nobody has disputed that.

What has been disputed is the statement that abortions "can and have" been performed after 24 weeks for maternal stress.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93552&page=1

"Michigan and 39 other states prohibit late-term abortions except to preserve the health or life of the mother, a decision usually left to the doctor."

I'll ask again, is it legal for a doctor to take a knife and cut your chest wide open?

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

I love you Brick, but if it were not for non-sequiturs and other logical fallacies, your post count would be closer to 10K.

And you don't believe any have?

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Waiting for the Eric Clapton song about this.


This frigging thread is an abortion.

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Waiting for the Eric Clapton song about this.

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There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I don't.

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I haven't passed the bar in any state so I'm not going down this road with you. Maybe dolphin can pick this up.

JoRR is about to tap out. You guys have him on the ropes!!! Don't let him get back up.

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There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Then let me ask you: do you believe lawmakers in the State of Illinois intended to give medical professionals a wider lawful ability to perform abortions after fetus viability by their omission of "physical", even generally intending "mental anguish" to be one of the newly-created lawful reasons behind a post-viability abortion?

Yes, I believe the intention is to have virtually no limits on abortions in the State of Illinois. I think the prevailing political position is that it is a matter between a woman and her doctor.

Yes, I believe the intention is to have virtually no limits on abortions in the State of Illinois. I think the prevailing political position is that it is a matter between a woman and her doctor.

Then why subversively give doctors the ability to perform abortions for virtually any reason they please, but then impose a duty ("shall") to create a record of the reasoning explicitly stating the "medical indications" for the need, and tying the need to the doctor's "medical judgement", then placing a felony charge hanging over it all?

Seems to me that this is either a conspiracy by lawmakers to make it lawful for women to kill a fetus for whatever reason they please at any time, or someone somewhere is misinterpreting the letter of the law. Which do you think is more likely?

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I also have bad news for you, if you are going down this route, then even if you banned abortions completely, these rare cases would still exist as it would be malpractice to let the mother and child die while waiting for a time in which actual birth could take place.

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