More reasonable? My stance hasn't changed even one bit.

Your last sentence is wrong. I acknowledge the case and think it's a poor one.

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So this was simply disagreement?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Obviously?

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Once you have another life in your body it's no longer just your body. People are charged with murder for killing fetuses. Abortions and near the top of the list of issues destroying minority communities.

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GO BEARS!!!

It's crazy that this is somehow a controversial stance in 2017.

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It is.

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I may have misunderstood you then. I took it as you said it shouldn't even be mentioned about viability when that is incredibly important to pretty much any pro-choice stance.

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Doesn't that stance hinge on a definition of "life"? Because, technically, a tumor comprised of living cells can meet certain criteria of "life".

It may be incredibly important to a pro-abortion stance but my post was directed towards those against abortion. I think it's the wrong battle to argue about viability and the "when" part of abortion.

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Fair enough. That makes sense.

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That's the first time I've heard that. Care to explain?

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I'm not a lawyer like you and have no interest in parsing my words that much in a random internet discussion. Everyone knows what Nas and I meant there.

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Plus,good old Pres Obama voted for it,when he was a state rep

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Well, she would have been a good one if she didn't die.

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Murder
Prison
Abortions

Blacks and Hispanics represent double or triple their population in some cases. Life isn't valued.

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Yes, I am familiar with the ramifications of the first two, but I still don't see how abortion is an issue affecting minority communities. What specifically is abortion doing to adversely affect these communities?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... unity.html

If that doesn't fit your definition of affecting a community, please let us know what does.

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All that article tells me is that a bunch of motherfuckers lack the ability to pull out, and too many women have never heard of birth control. Just a lot of unprotected fucking going on.

I still don't get how this is adversely affecting those communities.

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It's genocide. Especially in the black community. The black community accounts for nearly 40% of abortions annually. That's about 500k deaths a year and 16 million since 1973. It's one of MANY reasons why our percentage of the population has been stagnant. Blacks represent 40% of the prison population, 50%+ of murder victims and 40% of abortion, but only 12.8% of the population.

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So the destruction of unborn life in the African American community has no effect on them?

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Well, for awhile, a clump of cells that will become a tumor and one that will become human life are indistinguishable, yet you are arguing one's body ceases to be their own in the presence of one, but not the other.

And I know you're going to say "potential for life", and I understand the difference, I just want to know how you balance that worldview with all the masturbating you do. Or are you married, and if so do you allow your wife to get her period? Why?

It's very simple. We are talking about pregnancy.

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So you define "life" as conception?

I simply do not agree with either of your stances here Nas/Seacrest. Prison, murder, job opportunities, and education would be ahead of abortion on my to do list for these communities if I was the POTUS.

Yes NYC had a crazy amount of abortions in whatever year that article was referencing. With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.

I can usually see my way into someone's point, and find something I agree with in a debate. Just not happening with this one.

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Take a guess as to what poster in this thread has fought hard to limit the availability of birth control?

Oh, and to add to it, I'm pretty sure that he also wouldn't want a gay couple to be able to adopt one of the kids that were born to parents that couldn't take care of them since he is against gay marriage!

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Yes, just like science does.

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So you're telling me I'm debating a Catholic conservative brick wall?

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I don't think it's a conservative/catholic thing. Seacrest, jorr, Nas, and I all have very different political beliefs from what I can tell.

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I was just talking about Seacrest. The rest of you guys are cool.

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It's science until you and Brick disagree with it.

You aren't debating anyone. You are flailing for blame now that science has contradicted you.

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