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With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.
Take a guess as to what poster in this thread has fought hard to limit the availability of birth control?

Oh, and to add to it, I'm pretty sure that he also wouldn't want a gay couple to be able to adopt one of the kids that were born to parents that couldn't take care of them since he is against gay marriage!

So you're telling me I'm debating a Catholic conservative brick wall?



It's science until you and Brick disagree with it. :lol: :lol:

You aren't debating anyone. You are flailing for blame now that science has contradicted you.
What science has contradicted me?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Jbi11s wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.
Take a guess as to what poster in this thread has fought hard to limit the availability of birth control?

Oh, and to add to it, I'm pretty sure that he also wouldn't want a gay couple to be able to adopt one of the kids that were born to parents that couldn't take care of them since he is against gay marriage!

So you're telling me I'm debating a Catholic conservative brick wall?



It's science until you and Brick disagree with it. :lol: :lol:

You aren't debating anyone. You are flailing for blame now that science has contradicted you.
What science has contradicted me?


Human life begins at conception.

The Greeks figured that out long before Catholicism existed.

Had you read the Summa Brick, you would have known this.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Jbi11s wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.
Take a guess as to what poster in this thread has fought hard to limit the availability of birth control?

Oh, and to add to it, I'm pretty sure that he also wouldn't want a gay couple to be able to adopt one of the kids that were born to parents that couldn't take care of them since he is against gay marriage!

So you're telling me I'm debating a Catholic conservative brick wall?



It's science until you and Brick disagree with it. :lol: :lol:

You aren't debating anyone. You are flailing for blame now that science has contradicted you.
What science has contradicted me?


Human life begins at conception.

The Greeks figured that out long before Catholicism existed.

Had you read the Summa Brick, you would have known this.

Science has proven life begins at contraception?

So why are you against making birth control more available?

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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.

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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

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So you define "life" as conception?


Yes, just like science does.


As far as I know, "science" hasn't pinned down the exact point at which the phase transition occurs from "non-life" to "life". It's a series of probabilistic actions from fertilization (or conception, whatever you call it). All manner of scientists have opinions on when it is a human, be that brainwaves, or the point at which the cells can't divide to form two distinct embryos, whatever.

Sorry, but your retro-grade bullshit doesn't have the backing of science.


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Seacrest wrote:
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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?


There are millions of clumps of conceived humans that naturally do not turn out to be humans, every single day. What exactly is your point here?


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I simply do not agree with either of your stances here Nas/Seacrest. Prison, murder, job opportunities, and education would be ahead of abortion on my to do list for these communities if I was the POTUS.

Yes NYC had a crazy amount of abortions in whatever year that article was referencing. With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.

I can usually see my way into someone's point, and find something I agree with in a debate. Just not happening with this one.


You don't see life as an important issue? Literally none of the other things matter without life. There are about 40 million blacks in America and 16 million have been aborted since 1973. MANY of these likely occur in poverty stricken communities. MANY poor 25 and under males don't know the value of life/freedom and based on the number of abortions MANY of the poor 25 and under females don't value life either. When you include abortions nearly 1 million blacks die annually. That's a major problem that threatens the existence of a group of people.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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So you define "life" as conception?


Yes, just like science does.


As far as I know, "science" hasn't pinned down the exact point at which the phase transition occurs from "non-life" to "life". It's a series of probabilistic actions from fertilization (or conception, whatever you call it). All manner of scientists have opinions on when it is a human, be that brainwaves, or the point at which the cells can't divide to form two distinct embryos, whatever.

Sorry, but your retro-grade bullshit doesn't have the backing of science.


Your name calling belies you lack of a scientific position.

There is a separate organism

There is a separate DNA

Mocking people isn't very scientific.

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Seacrest wrote:
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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

It is mixed and ironically it is even mixed based on the religion you choose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html

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Seacrest wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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So you define "life" as conception?


Yes, just like science does.


As far as I know, "science" hasn't pinned down the exact point at which the phase transition occurs from "non-life" to "life". It's a series of probabilistic actions from fertilization (or conception, whatever you call it). All manner of scientists have opinions on when it is a human, be that brainwaves, or the point at which the cells can't divide to form two distinct embryos, whatever.

Sorry, but your retro-grade bullshit doesn't have the backing of science.


Your name calling belies you lack of a scientific position.

There is a separate organism

There is a separate DNA

Mocking people isn't very scientific.


1. Who called you a name?

2-3. So a tumor is life. Got it. Thank you.

4. When did I say I was being scientific?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

It is mixed and ironically it is even mixed based on the religion you choose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html



So you have nothing to disprove the two scientific facts I posted above other than some religion disagrees with real science?

Are you Drake Larietta?

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Is the guy hawking the science behind life beginning at conception really the same guy who is convinced a virgin conceived a child?

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Is the guy hawking the science behind life beginning at conception really the same guy who is convinced a virgin conceived a child?


Yup!


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Is the guy hawking the science behind life beginning at conception really the same guy who is convinced a virgin conceived a child?


Yup!


Absolutely.

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Seacrest wrote:
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Seacrest wrote:
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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

It is mixed and ironically it is even mixed based on the religion you choose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html



So you have nothing to disprove the two scientific facts I posted above other than some religion disagrees with real science?

Are you Drake Larietta?

Dude.... YOUR religion disagrees with real science.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

It is mixed and ironically it is even mixed based on the religion you choose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html



So you have nothing to disprove the two scientific facts I posted above other than some religion disagrees with real science?

Are you Drake Larietta?
There is credible science that life begins at conception. There is other science that comes to different conclusions. That is why it isn't settled.

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I simply do not agree with either of your stances here Nas/Seacrest. Prison, murder, job opportunities, and education would be ahead of abortion on my to do list for these communities if I was the POTUS.

Yes NYC had a crazy amount of abortions in whatever year that article was referencing. With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.

I can usually see my way into someone's point, and find something I agree with in a debate. Just not happening with this one.


You don't see life as an important issue? Literally none of the other things matter without life. There are about 40 million blacks in America and 16 million have been aborted since 1973. MANY of these likely occur in poverty stricken communities. MANY poor 25 and under males don't know the value of life/freedom and based on the number of abortions MANY of the poor 25 and under females don't value life either. When you include abortions nearly 1 million blacks die annually. That's a major problem that threatens the existence of a group of people.


I value life. I just don't see the benefit of over populating a poverty stricken community. Doesn't that increase the chances for the prison and murder % to also increase?

Undervaluing life is a learned behavior. There are other ways to teach an appreciation for humans than forcing them to have babies they may not be able to care for.

I'm just a guy with opinions. I'm sure you've seen more first hand situations that make you feel this way Nas. I respect your thoughts on this matter, but I don't agree with them.

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Let's leave the science to pittmike.


You just leave me out of this. It is well established I will only comment after Jorr pulls my strings.

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Darkside wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

It is mixed and ironically it is even mixed based on the religion you choose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html



So you have nothing to disprove the two scientific facts I posted above other than some religion disagrees with real science?

Are you Drake Larietta?

Dude.... YOUR religion disagrees with real science.


DUDE, it doesn't.

But we will have to wait for Brick to read the Summa so that he can explain to you why it doesn't.

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Let's leave the science to pittmike.


You just leave me out of this. It is well established I will only comment after Jorr pulls my strings.


:lol: :lol:

Well, you did make him lactate.

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Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.

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I simply do not agree with either of your stances here Nas/Seacrest. Prison, murder, job opportunities, and education would be ahead of abortion on my to do list for these communities if I was the POTUS.

Yes NYC had a crazy amount of abortions in whatever year that article was referencing. With the way I feel about abortion that article tells me there is not birth control readily available.

I can usually see my way into someone's point, and find something I agree with in a debate. Just not happening with this one.


You don't see life as an important issue? Literally none of the other things matter without life. There are about 40 million blacks in America and 16 million have been aborted since 1973. MANY of these likely occur in poverty stricken communities. MANY poor 25 and under males don't know the value of life/freedom and based on the number of abortions MANY of the poor 25 and under females don't value life either. When you include abortions nearly 1 million blacks die annually. That's a major problem that threatens the existence of a group of people.


I value life. I just don't see the benefit of over populating a poverty stricken community. Doesn't that increase the chances for the prison and murder % to also increase?

Undervaluing life is a learned behavior. There are other ways to teach an appreciation for humans than forcing them to have babies they may not be able to care for.

I'm just a guy with opinions. I'm sure you've seen more first hand situations that make you feel this way Nas. I respect your thoughts on this matter, but I don't agree with them.


No problem with you disagreeing.

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Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.


Problems for whom?

It sounds like you don't understand the nature of what is science. And what is religion.

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So we are clear when human life begins Brick?

A simple yes or no will suffice and then we can move forward with your next question.

I believe the science is mixed on it. My question still stands.


Was there an answer in there Brick.

Because science is NOT mixed on this.

Are you aware of any woman that conceived a child and it was not human?

It is mixed and ironically it is even mixed based on the religion you choose.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/04/when_does_life_begin_outside_the_christian_right_the_answer_is_over_time.html



So you have nothing to disprove the two scientific facts I posted above other than some religion disagrees with real science?

Are you Drake Larietta?
There is credible science that life begins at conception. There is other science that comes to different conclusions. That is why it isn't settled.


This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.

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Seacrest wrote:
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Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.


Problems for whom?

It sounds like you don't understand the nature of what is science. And what is religion.

Science says the dead do not rise from the grave. Your religion says they do.
Science says that women don't get pregnant spontaneously. Your religion says that do.
Science says men have evolved from primates. Your religion says they were not.
Science ages the universe around 13 to 18 billion years old. Your religion says something around 10k years though I've heard 5k before, I dont think y'all get very clear on that.

Now you say I dont understand what is science and what is religion. Can you clarify that because it sounds lime you're admitting that religion is just a bunch of made up shit that doesn't need to agree w8th scientific fact.

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