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This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.
That's a bizarre comment. Quality science exists right now that puts the beginning of life at a time other than conception.

To say it is settled because the ancients Greeks came up with a plausible answer too is literally ignoring milleniums of science.

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Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.
That's a bizarre comment. Quality science exists right now that puts the beginning of life at a time other than conception.

To say it is settled because the ancients Greeks came up with a plausible answer too is literally ignoring milleniums of science.

Not to mention the Greeks thought a lot of stupid shit about science.
Using ancient Greeks as your barometer of good science is a terrible idea.

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MANY poor 25 and under males don't know the value of life/freedom and based on the number of abortions MANY of the poor 25 and under females don't value life either.


For me this is the whole issue and it stands apart from any religious belief. Does society value human life? When we have wealthy white women "shouting their abortions" I don't see how one could answer that question in the affirmative. Thus, all our lives are cheapened and it's not a great leap from there to shooting someone in the head or running over a guy on a bicycle or throwing a baby out a window.

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Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.


Accuses others of not understanding the nature of science, appeals to the absolute scientific authority of the Greeks, who believed among other things, that sight was created by the eye bouncing light off of objects and recording the results, that arteries carried air throughout the body, and that the brain was a cooling device for the heart, where the soul could cool (perhaps after being moved by Jason Goff).

How close is appealing to the authority of the ancient Greeks to worshiping a false idol, anyways?


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The only reason abortion should be illegal is because the more choices you give women the more often they'll make the wrong choice and fuck up society like they have here in America.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.


Accuses others of not understanding the nature of science, appeals to the absolute scientific authority of the Greeks, who believed among other things, that sight was created by the eye bouncing light off of objects and recording the results, that arteries carried air throughout the body, and that the brain was a cooling device for the heart, where the soul could cool (perhaps after being moved by Jason Goff).

How close is appealing to the authority of the ancient Greeks to worshiping a false idol, anyways?

The Greeks had a litany of terrible ideas. Hippocrates believed of course that all illnesses can be explained by an imbalance of one of four humors... and other Greeks (Thaes?) Believed that water was a base element and all matter was composed of it. Ptolemy had some pretty awful ideas about an earth centric universe and the list goes on and on so although the Greeks founded botany I'm not really ready to call them the end all be all of scientific knowledge.

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The Greeks also were OK with men having sexual relationships with young boys, so I guess Catholics thought that was fine too.

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The Greeks also were OK with men having sexual relationships with young boys, so I guess Catholics thought that was fine too.


That might explain why MANY are happy to say "The Greeks figured it out, that's it! No need to further contemplate or inspect these findings, this is what we're doing now!"


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I like this Juice character.

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The only reason abortion should be illegal is because the more choices you give women the more often they'll make the wrong choice and fuck up society like they have here in America.

Finally somebody gets it.

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I like this Juice character.

Yup.

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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.

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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.


Or Hawg.

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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.

I hadn't noticed.

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Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Lots of proponents of small government showing their ass in this thread.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.
That's a bizarre comment. Quality science exists right now that puts the beginning of life at a time other than conception.

To say it is settled because the ancients Greeks came up with a plausible answer too is literally ignoring milleniums of science.

And Dostoevsky!

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Darkside wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.


Accuses others of not understanding the nature of science, appeals to the absolute scientific authority of the Greeks, who believed among other things, that sight was created by the eye bouncing light off of objects and recording the results, that arteries carried air throughout the body, and that the brain was a cooling device for the heart, where the soul could cool (perhaps after being moved by Jason Goff).

How close is appealing to the authority of the ancient Greeks to worshiping a false idol, anyways?

The Greeks had a litany of terrible ideas. Hippocrates believed of course that all illnesses can be explained by an imbalance of one of four humors... and other Greeks (Thaes?) Believed that water was a base element and all matter was composed of it. Ptolemy had some pretty awful ideas about an earth centric universe and the list goes on and on so although the Greeks founded botany I'm not really ready to call them the end all be all of scientific knowledge.



We had the same idea in this country and many scientists still do.

Again. At conception.

Separate person.

Separate DNA

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Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.


Problems for whom?

It sounds like you don't understand the nature of what is science. And what is religion.

Science says the dead do not rise from the grave. Your religion says they do.
Where does science say that?

Science says that women don't get pregnant spontaneously. Your religion says that do.
No, it doesn't.

Science says men have evolved from primates. Your religion says they were not.
Science posits that as a theory called evolution. Our DNA is different from primates.

Science ages the universe around 13 to 18 billion years old. Your religion says something around 10k years though I've heard 5k before, I dont think y'all get very clear on that.

Again, you are mistaken or just being intentionally misleading.

Now you say I dont understand what is science and what is religion. Can you clarify that because it sounds lime you're admitting that religion is just a bunch of made up shit that doesn't need to agree w8th scientific fact.

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leashyourkids wrote:
JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.


Accuses others of not understanding the nature of science, appeals to the absolute scientific authority of the Greeks, who believed among other things, that sight was created by the eye bouncing light off of objects and recording the results, that arteries carried air throughout the body, and that the brain was a cooling device for the heart, where the soul could cool (perhaps after being moved by Jason Goff).

How close is appealing to the authority of the ancient Greeks to worshiping a false idol, anyways?


Has your version of science found a turnip or primate that was a result of human fertilization yet?

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The major problem with the idea that life begins at conception is that it makes defining end of life very difficult if not impossible. Most people would say that if you have no heart beat and no brain function you aren't alive. Well......

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Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Lots of proponents of small government showing their ass in this thread.


Don't like rape? Don't commit one. Is that your line of logic? Come on.

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Seacrest wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.


Problems for whom?

It sounds like you don't understand the nature of what is science. And what is religion.

Science says the dead do not rise from the grave. Your religion says they do.
Where does science say that?

Science says that women don't get pregnant spontaneously. Your religion says that do.
No, it doesn't.

Science says men have evolved from primates. Your religion says they were not.
Science posits that as a theory called evolution. Our DNA is different from primates.

Science ages the universe around 13 to 18 billion years old. Your religion says something around 10k years though I've heard 5k before, I dont think y'all get very clear on that.

Again, you are mistaken or just being intentionally misleading.

Now you say I dont understand what is science and what is religion. Can you clarify that because it sounds lime you're admitting that religion is just a bunch of made up shit that doesn't need to agree w8th scientific fact.


:lol:
It would have been easier to just not reply since you don't have a real one.

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Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Lots of proponents of small government showing their ass in this thread.


Don't like rape? Don't commit one. Is that your line of logic? Come on.


People who don't like rape tend not to rape people.

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Seacrest wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.


Accuses others of not understanding the nature of science, appeals to the absolute scientific authority of the Greeks, who believed among other things, that sight was created by the eye bouncing light off of objects and recording the results, that arteries carried air throughout the body, and that the brain was a cooling device for the heart, where the soul could cool (perhaps after being moved by Jason Goff).

How close is appealing to the authority of the ancient Greeks to worshiping a false idol, anyways?


Has your version of science found a turnip or primate that was a result of human fertilization yet?

Sounds erotic

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Darkside wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.


Problems for whom?

It sounds like you don't understand the nature of what is science. And what is religion.

Science says the dead do not rise from the grave. Your religion says they do.
Where does science say that?

Science says that women don't get pregnant spontaneously. Your religion says that do.
No, it doesn't.

Science says men have evolved from primates. Your religion says they were not.
Science posits that as a theory called evolution. Our DNA is different from primates.

Science ages the universe around 13 to 18 billion years old. Your religion says something around 10k years though I've heard 5k before, I dont think y'all get very clear on that.

Again, you are mistaken or just being intentionally misleading.

Now you say I dont understand what is science and what is religion. Can you clarify that because it sounds lime you're admitting that religion is just a bunch of made up shit that doesn't need to agree w8th scientific fact.


:lol:
It would have been easier to just not reply since you don't have a real one.


Posit your personal thoughts about religion as facts, and then laugh when called on it. :wink:

We are done here Rusty. I'll ask JORR to be nicer to you the next time the Three Wisemen get together.

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Seacrest wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
This has been settled since the Greeks.

Just because someone says 2+2=5, doesn't somehow make the fact it is 4, now unsettled.


Accuses others of not understanding the nature of science, appeals to the absolute scientific authority of the Greeks, who believed among other things, that sight was created by the eye bouncing light off of objects and recording the results, that arteries carried air throughout the body, and that the brain was a cooling device for the heart, where the soul could cool (perhaps after being moved by Jason Goff).

How close is appealing to the authority of the ancient Greeks to worshiping a false idol, anyways?


Has your version of science found a turnip or primate that was a result of human fertilization yet?

What in the blueberry fuck?

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Has your version of science found a turnip or primate that was a result of human fertilization yet?

Sounds erotic

Vegetables are sensual ... people are sensuous.

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The major problem with the idea that life begins at conception is that it makes defining end of life very difficult if not impossible. Most people would say that if you have no heart beat and no brain function you aren't alive. Well......



There is no problem with life beginning at conception.

Ask ANYONE here that is a parent.

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