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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?

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Seacrest... are you sure your religion doesn't disagree with real science...
Just off the top of my head I'm thinking about things lime the age of the universe, the age of the earth, evolution, a virgin getting preggers, the dead rising from the grave. I'm sure there's more weird shit that your religion disagrees with but those are some pretty big problems there.


Problems for whom?

It sounds like you don't understand the nature of what is science. And what is religion.

Science says the dead do not rise from the grave. Your religion says they do.
Where does science say that?

Science says that women don't get pregnant spontaneously. Your religion says that do.
No, it doesn't.

Science says men have evolved from primates. Your religion says they were not.
Science posits that as a theory called evolution. Our DNA is different from primates.

Science ages the universe around 13 to 18 billion years old. Your religion says something around 10k years though I've heard 5k before, I dont think y'all get very clear on that.

Again, you are mistaken or just being intentionally misleading.

Now you say I dont understand what is science and what is religion. Can you clarify that because it sounds lime you're admitting that religion is just a bunch of made up shit that doesn't need to agree w8th scientific fact.


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It would have been easier to just not reply since you don't have a real one.


Posit your personal thoughts about religion as facts, and then laugh when called on it. :wink:

We are done here Rusty. I'll ask JORR to be nicer to you the next time the Three Wisemen get together.

I almost forgot. DINOSAURS.

I said the dead don't rise from the grave. I'm afraid that's not a personal opinion. Dead people don't become not dead.
I said women don't get pregnant spontaneously. I'm afraid that's not a personal opinion. You don't get pregnant without sperm.
You said our DNA is different from primates. True. Your DNA is different from your mother's. What is your point?
I love you come up with this science shit but when it conflicts with your personal fairy tale you get pissed and lash out like an adolescent.
You should never, ever question someone's intelligence when you have this massive blind spot.

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The major problem with the idea that life begins at conception is that it makes defining end of life very difficult if not impossible. Most people would say that if you have no heart beat and no brain function you aren't alive. Well......



There is no problem with life beginning at conception.

Ask ANYONE here that is a parent.


Explain your use of the word "problem" here.

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The major problem with the idea that life begins at conception is that it makes defining end of life very difficult if not impossible. Most people would say that if you have no heart beat and no brain function you aren't alive. Well......



There is no problem with life beginning at conception.

Ask ANYONE here that is a parent.


Explain your use of the word "problem" here.


Ask Brick, I used his wording.

I don't have an issue or problem acknowledging the science that life begins at conception.

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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.

That's an equivocation.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.


Not legally.

We've been over this.

Give examples of it happening.

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Seacrest wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The major problem with the idea that life begins at conception is that it makes defining end of life very difficult if not impossible. Most people would say that if you have no heart beat and no brain function you aren't alive. Well......




There is no problem with life beginning at conception.

Ask ANYONE here that is a parent.


Explain your use of the word "problem" here.


Ask Brick, I used his wording.

I don't have an issue or problem acknowledging the science that life begins at conception.


All parents believe life begins at conception?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.

That's an equivocation.


It's a practical truth.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.

That's an equivocation.


It's a practical truth.

!!!!!!!!!! @ practical

You are really good at equivocation. Seriously--this is impressive.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.


Cite an example.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.


Cite an example.


An example of what? The law is clear and the medical issue is between the woman and her doctor.

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And here I thought we had a break through last night.

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.

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Is abortion haram?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR states a lot of things as facts simply because he just feels that way. Not sure when he turned into Seacrest.



I stated it as a fact because it is.


What is fact?


That in Illinois an abortion can be legally obtained at any time.


Cite an example.


An example of what? The law is clear and the medical issue is between the woman and her doctor.


Are you arguing that no abortion should ever be legal, even when health is a legitimate concern?

Also, you were asked earlier in the thread to provide examples of babies being aborted after 24 weeks due to "maternal stress." I don't think you ever provided those examples.

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


How so?

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No. I'm not making that argument. What I'm saying is that I find it difficult to see a scared teenager who dumped her baby out the window as an arch criminal within the context of a society where that entity could have been legally killed by a licensed professional a few days earlier. If you want to change it to a few weeks I don't believe that affects my point.

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No. I'm not making that argument. What I'm saying is that I find it difficult to see a scared teenager who dumped her baby out the window as an arch criminal within the context of a society where that entity could have been legally killed by a licensed professional a few days earlier. If you want to change it to a few weeks I don't believe that affects my point.

The teenager was a cold blooded bitch of a murderer.
If you want to call the doctors who have the legal ability to terminate the pregnancy or the state who does not enforce laws preventing it murderous bastard as well so be it.
But the state being obtuse or the doctors being shitty does not mitigate the fact that thia teenager is a piece of shit murdering bitch. If there is a hell... I hope she rots in it. Take the doctors and the legislators as well if they're down with it.

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


It's not just your body when you're carrying around another life in it.

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No. I'm not making that argument. What I'm saying is that I find it difficult to see a scared teenager who dumped her baby out the window as an arch criminal within the context of a society where that entity could have been legally killed by a licensed professional a few days earlier. If you want to change it to a few weeks I don't believe that affects my point.

The teenager was a cold blooded bitch of a murderer.
If you want to call the doctors who have the legal ability to terminate the pregnancy or the state who does not enforce laws preventing it murderous bastard as well so be it.
But the state being obtuse or the doctors being shitty does not mitigate the fact that thia teenager is a piece of shit murdering bitch. If there is a hell... I hope she rots in it. Take the doctors and the legislators as well if they're down with it.


Take it up with Spiral Stairs.

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


How so?


Are you asking about the first part of my post or the whole thing?

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


How so?


Are you asking about the first part of my post or the whole thing?


Second line

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


It's not just your body when you're carrying around another life in it.


True. But the thing the pregnant woman is carrying is not the state.

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


How so?


Are you asking about the first part of my post or the whole thing?


Second line


What is unclear about it?

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Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


It's not just your body when you're carrying around another life in it.


True. But the thing the pregnant woman is carrying is not the state.



I can't can't murder my child because of the state. Hell I can't spank my child because of the state. We have laws against certain behaviors for a reason. Making exceptions for a host seems odd. As a society we defend tearing a babies body into pieces but complain about a parent yelling at a kid. That seems backwards.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


How so?


Are you asking about the first part of my post or the whole thing?


Second line


What is unclear about it?


It doesn't follow logically.

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Seacrest wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Not getting an abortion is literally easier than breathing.

If you are a "life begins at conception" pro-lifer you are acknowledging that the state has geater rights to an individual's body than they do themselves.

And if that's the case where does the state's superior rights to an individual's autonomy end? If the state can dictate whether or not you can get an abortion, why can't they also decide they have a greater, and ever increasing, right to your income as well? After all, the state knows better than the individual what is best for them.


How so?


Are you asking about the first part of my post or the whole thing?


Second line


What is unclear about it?


It doesn't follow logically.


How so?

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