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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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He's not worth 4 players. This os a deal you make for Archer or better.

Hopefully Im wrong. (Im not though)

You do realize Quintana has been better than Archer over the last four seasons, yes?

I believe that's debatable and i think last year was an anomaly for Archer
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They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

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Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.

That's the silver lining here.


Hopefully Quintana is awesome.
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Verlander
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Thats how i would rank them
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rogers park bryan wrote:
IMU wrote:
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He's not worth 4 players. This os a deal you make for Archer or better.

Hopefully Im wrong. (Im not though)

You do realize Quintana has been better than Archer over the last four seasons, yes?

I believe that's debatable and i think last year was an anomaly for Archer

And this year is an anomaly for Quintana.

But compare their individual 2014 and 2015 seasons, if you like. Archer was an "ace" those years. Look at Quintana during the same period.

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They got trade raped like Andre. :lol:

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.
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rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.

Enjoy Adam Dunn 2.0

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Verlander
Archer
Quintana


Thats how i would rank them


This isn't Verlander from a few seasons ago. No way he is better than Q at this point

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.

Enjoy Adam Dunn 2.0


This

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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.

Enjoy Adam Dunn 2.0

He might not even have Dunns career. His coming back to contribute in the WS will never be undone though.

Im jot saying he's untouchable but toock any love for the guy is being silly. 108 years.
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rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.
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rogers park bryan
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RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Verlander
Archer
Quintana


Thats how i would rank them


This isn't Verlander from a few seasons ago. No way he is better than Q at this point

A couple years ago? He was the best pitcher in the AL last year.
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Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.

As with most of your takes.....very rational
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Ogie Oglethorpe
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Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.

He's not even a DH at this point.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Verlander
Archer
Quintana


Thats how i would rank them


This isn't Verlander from a few seasons ago. No way he is better than Q at this point

A couple years ago? He was the best pitcher in the AL last year.


He managed to reinvent himself once he started breaking down. Verlander is still top notch.

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Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.

Yeah he rock starred it in the WS and Im grateful for that but if you cant fucking hit .200 in half a season you need to be torched.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.

He's not even a DH at this point.


Bernstein is reporting that Theo knows that the NL is moving to a DH starting next Thursday.

REALLY. SMART. GUYS.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.

Enjoy Adam Dunn 2.0


I'd take Dunn's career right now. He'll be long gone before he hits the Sox version of Adam Dunn :lol:

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Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?


Because the AL has that free pinch-hitter rule.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

Yes but even of it wasn't, 1 less batter
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?


Because the AL has that free pinch-hitter rule.


Why does that help Quintana (other than possibly reducing numbers that ultimately don't matter)? The Cubs won't be using a free pinch-hitter either.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

Yes but even of it wasn't, 1 less batter



And one less to provide "support", right?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.

He's not even a DH at this point.


Bernstein is reporting that Theo knows that the NL is moving to a DH starting next Thursday.

REALLY. SMART. GUYS.

He's prescient

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

Yes but even of it wasn't, 1 less batter



And one less to provide "support", right?

Run support exists


But Quintana is a pitcher. He individually might look better pitching to 8 instead of 9
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?


Because the AL has that free pinch-hitter rule.


Why does that help Quintana (other than possibly reducing numbers that ultimately don't matter)? The Cubs won't be using a free pinch-hitter either.



If you are on a bad team facing teams with consistently better talent, you will be facing a higher quality of batter on average than the team supporting you. Having an extra hitter accentuates that differential.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
They will regret not trading Schwarber last offseason.


But the bandwagon fans love him...think he's the best!!!

Like baseball Artemi Panerin without the actual production.

If any fan doesn't love Schwarber for what he did in WS than they arent Cubs fans period.


I love what he did for them. But he's a DH.

He's not even a DH at this point.


Bernstein is reporting that Theo knows that the NL is moving to a DH starting next Thursday.

REALLY. SMART. GUYS.


Bernstein is going to be beside himself.
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

Yes but even of it wasn't, 1 less batter



And one less to provide "support", right?

Run support exists


But Quintana is a pitcher. He individually might look better pitching to 8 instead of 9

The NL is more like pitching to 5 instead of to 9 this year.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

Yes but even of it wasn't, 1 less batter



And one less to provide "support", right?

Run support exists

But Quintana is a pitcher. He individually might look better pitching to 8 instead of 9


Run support is nothing more than what the other guy who starts and is usually better than Quintana allows. I guess you can feel better about him when he's 4-6 with a 3.60 ERA than when he's 4-6 with a 4.40 ERA though.

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