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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Oh Christ I'm watching MLB Network and they said Eloy Jimenez is pretty much guaranteed to be Giancarlo Stanton and Dylan Cease is pretty much on his way to being Dwight Gooden this is a f****** disaster


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Oh Christ I'm watching MLB Network and they said Eloy Jimenez is pretty much guaranteed to be Giancarlo Stanton and Dylan Cease is pretty much on his way to being Dwight Gooden this is a f****** disaster

Become a Sox fan.

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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?


Because the AL has that free pinch-hitter rule.


Why does that help Quintana (other than possibly reducing numbers that ultimately don't matter)? The Cubs won't be using a free pinch-hitter either.



If you are on a bad team facing teams with consistently better talent, you will be facing a higher quality of batter on average than the team supporting you. Having an extra hitter accentuates that differential.


I'm pretty sure the Sox are better than average from the DH spot but I could be mistaken. Anyway, now Quintana can support himself!

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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Oh Christ I'm watching MLB Network and they said Eloy Jimenez is pretty much guaranteed to be Giancarlo Stanton and Dylan Cease is pretty much on his way to being Dwight Gooden this is a f****** disaster

Become a Sox fan.



I'll consider it.

Are they going to keep trading all their best players to the Cubs? I'd need to know that first.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Moving from the AL to NL will help Quintana as well.



Because the NL is the worse league?

Yes but even of it wasn't, 1 less batter



And one less to provide "support", right?

Run support exists

But Quintana is a pitcher. He individually might look better pitching to 8 instead of 9


Run support is nothing more than what the other guy who starts and is usually better than Quintana allows. I guess you can feel better about him when he's 4-6 with a 3.60 ERA than when he's 4-6 with a 4.40 ERA though.

So drop him in the rotation and Q wins 15.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Oh Christ I'm watching MLB Network and they said Eloy Jimenez is pretty much guaranteed to be Giancarlo Stanton and Dylan Cease is pretty much on his way to being Dwight Gooden this is a f****** disaster

Become a Sox fan.



I'll consider it.

Are they going to keep trading all their best players to the Cubs? I'd need to know that first.
Probably until Theo jumps ship.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Oh Christ I'm watching MLB Network and they said Eloy Jimenez is pretty much guaranteed to be Giancarlo Stanton and Dylan Cease is pretty much on his way to being Dwight Gooden this is a f****** disaster

Become a Sox fan.

Officially changed my position to hope they do well as long as it doesn't affect the Cubs negatively after the Cubs won the World Series


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Okay Chris Mad Dog Russo is on.

This guy is top-notch and knows what he's talking about we'll see what he says


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Oh Christ I'm watching MLB Network and they said Eloy Jimenez is pretty much guaranteed to be Giancarlo Stanton and Dylan Cease is pretty much on his way to being Dwight Gooden this is a f****** disaster

Become a Sox fan.

Officially changed my position to hope they do well as long as it doesn't affect the Cubs negatively after the Cubs won the World Series

Just like people like me and Frank did after 2005!

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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Okay Chris Mad Dog Russo is on.

This guy is top-notch and knows what he's talking about we'll see what he says


:lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Okay Mad Dogs producer who is clearly a guy who should be on the radio and not TV is very happy with the trade from Cubs perspective and thinks the White Sox should have gotten more like Ian Happ so I guess this is a big win


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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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To be serious for a minute it is good to get quality starting pitcher with years of control definitely a good thing I'm just not sure about what they gave up and who they may have gotten instead (example Archer)




Okay I think I'm properly hedged on this trade I'll end up being right no matter what


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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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The Cubs are not going to win the World Series in 2017 that is my opinion I would have rather them sell off some older parts this year and reload for next year but that's just me



Pre 2016 I probably would have said to go for it because every year was the desperate maybe this is the year now we got a little room to work with


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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Okay I think I'm properly hedged on this trade I'll end up being right no matter what



:lol:

You are really covering your bases on this trade. Win/win on your part.


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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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I bet the threat MIL would get him spurred them to make this deal.


That's a bullshit way to run a franchise.


Not really. Blocking your opponent from a SP with 3 years control is a key consideration.

Theo rolled the dice. Let's see what happens and hope Q is a solid #3.

If the Cubs were afraid that the difference between them winning the division and Milwaukee winning it was Quintana, Ill buy Theo's ticket out of town right now for him.


:lol: What?

We're running him out of town 80 games after a WS?

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I'm running him out of town if the reason he made the trade was that a career fucking loser might go to the competition and he believes that chump might be the difference between not catching them .

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I'm running him out of town if the reason he made the trade was that a career fucking loser might go to the competition and he believes that chump might be the difference between not catching them .

He was 13-12 on a pretty bad team last year

In 4 full seasons, he has two winning seasons and losing ones. .500 pitcher is fine, but to say career loser is a bit much.


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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I believe Quintana is slightly above average. Left handed Javy Vazquez

He's not worth 4 players. This os a deal you make for Archer or better.


Hopefully Im wrong. (Im not though)

They should have signed two more starters in off season or kept Cahill or something

Jimenez will probably have a decent career

Cease will be good for a short time then fade out (solid prediction for any pitching prospect)


Not much difference between the great Archer and Quintana over a career. Maybe Archer is better at his best...maybe.

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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Okay Mad Dogs producer who is clearly a guy who should be on the radio and not TV is very happy with the trade from Cubs perspective and thinks the White Sox should have gotten more like Ian Happ so I guess this is a big win


I am not a guy who follows prospects but the ceiling on those two players is not close. If given the choice of either/or by the Cubs, I doubt there is a GM in the league who would have taken Happ, even today's Happ playing in MLB.

Maybe he meant Happ rather than Cease.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Okay Mad Dogs producer who is clearly a guy who should be on the radio and not TV is very happy with the trade from Cubs perspective and thinks the White Sox should have gotten more like Ian Happ so I guess this is a big win


I am not a guy who follows prospects but the ceiling on those two players is not close. If given the choice of either/or by the Cubs, I doubt there is a GM in the league who would have taken Happ, even today's Happ playing in MLB.

Maybe he meant Happ rather than Cease.

Yea, that's what he meant and I was being sarcastic obviously with agreeing


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I have to keep reminding myself I'm talking with Cubbie fans when I repeat that the Rays, who Chris Archer plays for, currently hold the #1 wild card position in the AL and have a better record than the cubbies.

Hey, maybe the cubbies can get Kershaw at the trade deadline!

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I have to keep reminding myself I'm talking with Cubbie fans when I repeat that the Rays, who Chris Archer plays for, currently hold the #1 wild card position in the AL and have a better record than the cubbies.

Hey, maybe the cubbies can get Kershaw at the trade deadline!

That's not reality. The Rays, like other small market teams can never really label someone untouchable. If a great package is put together, they'll trade him. Even while in wild card contention. They went 17-6 in July of 2014 to get back in Wild Card race and traded David Price anyway.

"It's not waving a white flag at all," Rays president Matt Silverman said. "If your team plays to the level that it can, especially considering all the head-to-head games we have within our division, we have a chance to make up the deficit and get into the playoffs. It's more difficult without David, but if the rest of the team plays up to their potential, we're going to be playing meaningful games in September."


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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I have to keep reminding myself I'm talking with Cubbie fans when I repeat that the Rays, who Chris Archer plays for, currently hold the #1 wild card position in the AL and have a better record than the cubbies.

Hey, maybe the cubbies can get Kershaw at the trade deadline!

That's not reality. The Rays, like other small market teams can never really label someone untouchable. If a great package is put together, they'll trade him. Even while in wild card contention. They went 17-6 in July of 2014 to get back in Wild Card race and traded David Price anyway.

"It's not waving a white flag at all," Rays president Matt Silverman said. "If your team plays to the level that it can, especially considering all the head-to-head games we have within our division, we have a chance to make up the deficit and get into the playoffs. It's more difficult without David, but if the rest of the team plays up to their potential, we're going to be playing meaningful games in September."


Archer won't be a free agent until 2020.

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good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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I have to keep reminding myself I'm talking with Cubbie fans when I repeat that the Rays, who Chris Archer plays for, currently hold the #1 wild card position in the AL and have a better record than the cubbies.

Hey, maybe the cubbies can get Kershaw at the trade deadline!

That's not reality. The Rays, like other small market teams can never really label someone untouchable. If a great package is put together, they'll trade him. Even while in wild card contention. They went 17-6 in July of 2014 to get back in Wild Card race and traded David Price anyway.

"It's not waving a white flag at all," Rays president Matt Silverman said. "If your team plays to the level that it can, especially considering all the head-to-head games we have within our division, we have a chance to make up the deficit and get into the playoffs. It's more difficult without David, but if the rest of the team plays up to their potential, we're going to be playing meaningful games in September."


Archer won't be a free agent until 2020.

And Price was a year and half away when they traded him. As you know, there are certain teams that have to consider all deals. Rays are one of them.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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I have to keep reminding myself I'm talking with Cubbie fans when I repeat that the Rays, who Chris Archer plays for, currently hold the #1 wild card position in the AL and have a better record than the cubbies.

Hey, maybe the cubbies can get Kershaw at the trade deadline!

That's not reality. The Rays, like other small market teams can never really label someone untouchable. If a great package is put together, they'll trade him. Even while in wild card contention. They went 17-6 in July of 2014 to get back in Wild Card race and traded David Price anyway.

"It's not waving a white flag at all," Rays president Matt Silverman said. "If your team plays to the level that it can, especially considering all the head-to-head games we have within our division, we have a chance to make up the deficit and get into the playoffs. It's more difficult without David, but if the rest of the team plays up to their potential, we're going to be playing meaningful games in September."


Archer won't be a free agent until 2020.

And Price was a year and half away when they traded him. As you know, there are certain teams that have to consider all deals. Rays are one of them.


Then I'll be waiting on the Archer deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Theo and Jed
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Verlander
Archer
Quintana


Thats how i would rank them


This isn't Verlander from a few seasons ago. No way he is better than Q at this point

Let's revisit this.


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