Was not aware that the Cubs are going to fold as a franchise after 2017. Quintana's 2018 helps the 2018 Cubs, his 2019 helps the 2019 Cubs and his 2020 helps the 2020 Cubs. If you think this deal was made only for 2017, I don't know what else to tell you.

Frank is the type of dumbass that thinks if you go to Costco and buy a shit ton of toilet paper but don't use it all in one day you made a bad deal.

At least I'll know where to send my excess toilet paper because Frank has shit comming out of his ass and his mouth.

Please explain to me, oh wise one, how the 2017 Cubs win any trade with any team should they miss the playoffs this year?

You're the type of dumbass that is going to shit all over any Sox fan post in this thread because lol Sox.

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I have no idea on Jimenez either way, hell JORR arch nemesis Keith Law just ranked him as his #6 prospect, but the JORR point above, just before the break Theo was in Myrtle Beach with the club so that might lend some support to the souring on Jimenez idea, with Theo there doing first hand scouting before he pulled the trigger.

The beauty of Quintana is that, not only do you have him as a great pitcher, he allows you to sign the top pitcher in the FA market this off season. The 2018 Cubs are poised to be a much better team than 2017 and I think they look pretty good today.

You now have almost no worries in covering the losses of Lackey and Arrietta. In the off season you can eliminate angst over the loss of Lester after 2018.

On top of that, you still have Candalerio to deal for that leadoff hitter either now or next year.

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It's a good trade for both teams. The Cubs had at least one huge hole in the rotation in 2017, and at least three holes in the rotation starting in 2018. This trade goes a long way to solving both of those problems. The Cubs are likely to be contenders, or would presume to be contenders for the duration of the Quintana contract.

But to your larger dumbass point, the Cubs HAVE to make the playoffs in 2017 for them to win any trade? I guess if the Cubs trade Lackey for Mike Trout but miss the playoffs in 2017 that's a loser of a trade? Of course not.

You're the guy posturing that for this trade to be any semblance of a success the Cubs have to make the 2017 playoffs. Is that a part of the design of the trade? Sure. Is that the only metric by which to judge this trade? Of course not.

The FA pitching next year sucks.

It will be Lance Lynn.

It wasn't my dumbass point. IMU said that "The 2017 Cubs won the trade."

I said not if they miss the playoffs, and you jumped all over it because 'lol Sox.' I never said or implied that this was a bad trade for the Cubs.

So maybe go back and read the thread and realize that you are the dumbass here.

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I think Quintana will have no problem covering the losses of Lackey and Arrieta .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

if nothing else, Quintana won't yell at teammates, umpires, or blame his own sweat for pitching poorly

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The trade improved the team, and they now have a better chance to win the division than they did before the trade.

I mean...this is simple stuff.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

If you don't get that Quintana is an underpaid starting pitcher, you're a fucking idiot or JORR

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He's considered underpaid.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

This talk is just something that fills time until it's time to live life again. I'd like to see the guy pitch a few innings before I pin the "he sucks" label on him.

It does look the Cubs big 3 are Q,Hendriks and Lester. Now they can package Arrieta And Davis to the Ameican League for prospects.

Theo wins again!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

You're my guy, Jimmy. I loved Jon.

Yeah,I'm always doing that...Lester!

Lieber was a darn fine pitcher,too.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I'm going to amend my original statement if you keep this up.

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I like the trade for both teams, I think the Sox won the trade though. Quintana will improve in the NL and he's cheap for 3 years, need Hendricks to come back and be solid... If Jake pitches a lil better, the cubs win the division.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Cubs are starting Lackey, Arrieta and somebody named Eddie Butler.
Look what those guys are paid. Q isn't an "ace" but he gives you 200 innings every year and that is invaluable to the bullpen if nothing else

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Shades of Edwin Jackson

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah, except I'm not a Cubs fan rationalizing a move. Edwin Jackson has zero relevance to Jose Quintana in 2017

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It's also possible Cub overpaid (depends on if Eloy busts or not to see how this is viewed in the future) to acquire a declining asset.

Here's some numbers, doesn't matter which, because if your a stat guy you'll know which one, and if you aren't a stat guy it doesn't matter anyway because IMU-level idiots will just make a dumb argument with it.

2013 (age 24) – 3.86
2014 (age 25) – 3.37
2015 (age 26) – 3.51
2016 (age 27) – 4.03
2017 (age 28) – 4.13

Q should age pretty well because he isn't a velo guy to begin with and he'll be facing 1 less hitter. But you have to give Hahn some credit for possibly unloading him at the peak of his effectiveness.

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Looks like a good trade for both teams. But two words to keep in mind:

Jorge Soler

So when is this Q guy suppose to make his first Cubs start?

5.5 back and Q will make that up ???more problems than starting pitching? Other teams needed an arm....I think Jed got fleeced

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

When are you supposed to not be a dipshit?

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I imagine it is Sunday.

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And men have lost their reason.

Your earlier thread was spot on .

Risk for both teams as well as reward. The Cubs win the trade if Quintana pitches in 7-10 postseason games and the Cubs win 75% of them. The White Sox win the trade if Jimenez makes two All-Star teams or Cease becomes a good closer for 3-4 years. It's possible that both teams win the trade.

If the Cubs position players can get their bats out of their asses and start hitting and playing defense anywhere close to their 2016 numbers, only then this is a trade that affects 2017. Hoyer said on 670 that there are 15 games left before the trade deadline and they want to see how the team plays before deciding what else to do. If they put up a 5-10 stinker, I expect them to trade some veteran pieces off - Davis, Strop and Jay for sure, Jake if they can find somebody stupid enough to send back a top 150 prospect.

Otherwise, this is really about 2018-2020 for both teams. For the Cubs:
- Lester is under contract through 2020, with an option/buyout for 2021
- Quintana is under contract through 2020, and cheap all along
- Hendricks is under team control through 2021, and cheap until 2018 when he becomes arb-eligible

The window will shut hard then, and Hoyer will deal most of the arb-eligible position players to competing teams with big farm systems, and start again.

For the White Sox, the risk is that Jimenez' natural power doesn't develop. That's offset by Cease, who has as a legit chance of becoming their 2019 closer as any guy currently in Class A ball can realistically have. Flete's upside is probably as a Charlotte-shuttle guy.

It's a great trade for both teams. Milwaukee's surprise run probably cost the Cubs Cease and Flete.

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Well written, Chet.