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Talking about a guy's kids is reprehensible.

One would think that would be universally accepted and understood.


You'd think so but MANY came out of the woodwork to defend....(including me, at the time)

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Iirc it started with Truman's daughter, picked up speed with Linda Byrd and went off the rails with "jokes " by a drug addict (hype) about "the White House dog"

Hell the deplorables are still taking cheap shots at the Obama children


So talking about a guy's kids is reprehensible unless...But Obama? I'm confused here as to how you've rigged this bullshit even in your own mind. Does it involve federalism?


Okay Don Quixote relax. Shots at any man's kids are out of bounds to me. Period

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Talking about a guy's kids is reprehensible.

One would think that would be universally accepted and understood.


You'd think so but MANY came out of the woodwork to defend....(including me, at the time)

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Iirc it started with Truman's daughter, picked up speed with Linda Byrd and went off the rails with "jokes " by a drug addict (hype) about "the White House dog"

Hell the deplorables are still taking cheap shots at the Obama children


Do you recall JLN being outraged by this?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bet.com/ ... a.amp.html


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Nas wrote:
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Talking about a guy's kids is reprehensible.

One would think that would be universally accepted and understood.


You'd think so but MANY came out of the woodwork to defend....(including me, at the time)

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Iirc it started with Truman's daughter, picked up speed with Linda Byrd and went off the rails with "jokes " by a drug addict (hype) about "the White House dog"

Hell the deplorables are still taking cheap shots at the Obama children


Do you recall JLN being outraged by this?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bet.com/ ... a.amp.html


I think that it's telling that he still isn't

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Don Tiny wrote:
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Talking about a guy's kids is reprehensible.

One would think that would be universally accepted and understood.


You'd think so but MANY came out of the woodwork to defend....(including me, at the time)

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Iirc it started with Truman's daughter, picked up speed with Linda Byrd and went off the rails with "jokes " by a drug addict (hype) about "the White House dog"

Hell the deplorables are still taking cheap shots at the Obama children


Do you recall JLN being outraged by this?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bet.com/ ... a.amp.html


I think that it's telling that he still isn't


Yep! His selective outrage is definitely telling and predictable. Sad!

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That wasnt even a shot at the kid. It was chuckle worthy.


Really? At the time Barron Trump was shown sitting alone, solemn, amidst a celebration, someone saying that he's (1) home schooled (implying a disability) and (2) would shoot up that school (further implying mental disability) wasn't a shot at the kid? That's stupid to think.

There was no "at the time"

It was a tweet with no picture and obviously a shot at Donald Trump

It had nothing to do with the Rosie autism comments


Yeah, I didn't think it was a shot at the kid. It was a joke about being raised as a Trump.

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That wasnt even a shot at the kid. It was chuckle worthy.


Really? At the time Barron Trump was shown sitting alone, solemn, amidst a celebration, someone saying that he's (1) home schooled (implying a disability) and (2) would shoot up that school (further implying mental disability) wasn't a shot at the kid? That's stupid to think.


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I have a nephew who was diagnosed at 3 years old. My sisternlaw and her husband have been in denial about it for 5 years. They refuse to get him help. He is 8 but developmentally is still 3. They claim to be homeschooling him but that basically means he does some games and puzzles on the ipad. They will finally admit he has autism but the only thing they do for him is take him to surfers for autism events around Florida each month. It is super sad and is IMO a form of child abuse.

What a shame--especially since they can get him a lot of free help, and, if they have good insurance, they could have a therapist in their home 2-5 times a week.

I can understand that it is hard to face, but it's terrifying to think about these kids as adults, alone and unable to fend for themselves. It sure as hell seems like a form of child abuse.


How do you not do everything possible for your kids?

Both of my kids went through Early Intervention. For my first son, it was $30 per month for three, one hour, in home sessions (speech therapy, occupational therapy, and developmental therapy) each week. It was $40 per month for my younger son. The fee was based on household income. Once the children reach the age of three, they are done with the program, and go through the school district for any future therapy. My younger son went to a school where he could work with the same type of therapists as EI. He is starting kindergarten in the fall, but he is going to a different school (definitely not autistic according to a know-it-all loser) than my older boy, where he will be in a class of no more than nine kids, with one teacher and three assistants. He is going to get a lot of one on one time, which is going to help.

Where was Dr. IMU years ago to tell me that we wasted our money. :lol: :lol: :lol: To knock yourself out once is hilarious, but twice in the same thread is just too good to be true.

Same here. Early Intervention at 19 months, ABA therapy at home, speech therapy at the hospital and local university, feeding therapy, OT, an assistant in school, etc.

My oldest is a teen and is much less affected than my youngest--she's interested in a social life--but anxiety is difficult for her to manage and she doesn't always get why people do and say the things they do and say, in spite of years of practice. It's frustrating. However, it seems that parenting teens is universally difficult.

But the therapy does help. She was barely able to attend pre-school when she was four and five. So all of this does pay off. What's more, one of my nieces couldn't really even talk until she was about five, and she's in grad school at UC-Berkeley right now (and not in a science field, but a humanities field). That's a best-case scenario, of course, but progress is progress.



Addressing it early is key. Even if it doesn't seem like there is progress, it makes more of an impact than you might realize.

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I respect adults that fight and struggle for children with their special needs more than most I know.

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Is autism underdiagnosed in black communities? I think I can count on 2 fingers the number of black kids that I've ever known was diagnosed with autism.

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Is autism underdiagnosed in black communities? I think I can count on 2 fingers the number of black kids that I've ever known was diagnosed with autism.


Yes. But there is no money in that.

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Is autism underdiagnosed in black communities? I think I can count on 2 fingers the number of black kids that I've ever known was diagnosed with autism.


From a Dvelopmental Psych course years ago I remember black children are under diagnosed and whites over diagnosed. It was a study. Let me see if I can dig it up.

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Huge underdiagnosis in Hispanic communities as well.

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Having just written that, I feel horrible that my shortcomings stopped me from doing more.

Serving on a school council tasked first (by city wide court order) with the needs of special needs kids frustrated me more than I ever could have guessed

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My son's therapy is pretty diverse.

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Is autism underdiagnosed in black communities? I think I can count on 2 fingers the number of black kids that I've ever known was diagnosed with autism.


From a Dvelopmental Psych course years ago I remember black children are under diagnosed and whites over diagnosed. It was a study. Let me see if I can dig it up.


That makes sense.

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Huge underdiagnosis in Hispanic communities as well.


It's the ticking time bomb our me first leaders should be afraid of

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Is autism underdiagnosed in black communities? I think I can count on 2 fingers the number of black kids that I've ever known was diagnosed with autism.


From a Dvelopmental Psych course years ago I remember black children are under diagnosed and whites over diagnosed. It was a study. Let me see if I can dig it up.


The continually expanding definition probably doesn't help with over/under diagnosis rates, either.


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As an aside the rural communities don't do a great job of diagnosis or treatment. Don't have the facilities. The horror stories I've heard from friends with autistic children are striking. Now time has passed but I doubt attitudes gave changed. We've had to do quit a bit with my bits, one for speach and one for sensory issues but we were able to do it, and continue to do it privately by traveling.


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As an aside the rural communities don't do a great job of diagnosis or treatment. Don't have the facilities. The horror stories I've heard from friends with autistic children are striking. Now time has passed but I doubt attitudes gave changed. We've had to do quit a bit with my bits, one for speach and one for sensory issues but we were able to do it, and continue to do it privately by traveling.


Sorry for bringing personal anecdotes into this again, but where I went for recovery was world class, but the potential treatment options they didn't really implement from inpatient to day rehab care was shocking.

I hope being a loud and mouthy sarcastic patient helped the next patient tho

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Is autism underdiagnosed in black communities? I think I can count on 2 fingers the number of black kids that I've ever known was diagnosed with autism.


From a Developmental Psych course years ago I remember black children are under diagnosed and whites over diagnosed. It was a study. Let me see if I can dig it up.


That makes sense.


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A case record investigation of 712 records representing
about 3,000 children with ASD indicated an underdiagnosis
of children from ethnic minorities in ASD institutions.
This finding is in line with a subtle bias that was found
among pediatricians’ assessment of ASD in ethnic minority
groups.


That's just the conclusion section of the study. The actual data is this

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Table 2 Mean proportion (SD) of autism references based on clinical
judgments
Ethnic background One autism
feature

Dutch majority .15 (.39)
European minority .09 (.28)
Non-European minority .06 (.24)
Note: Each proportion represents the mean number of autism references
calculated over two vignettes
Table 3 Mean likelihood ratings (SD) of autism spectrum disorders
(range 1–5)
Ethnic background One autism
feature
Dutch majority 2.95 (.80)
European minority 2.61 (.74)
Non-European minority 2.62 (.74)


Source:
Begeer, S., Bouk, S., Boussaid, W., Terwogt, M., & Koot, H. (2009). Underdiagnosis and referral bias of autism in ethnic minorities. Journal Of Autism & Developmental Disorders, 39(1), 142-148. doi:10.1007/s10803-008-0611-5

In this case, what is reported doesn't mirror the suspected presence within the populations.

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Huge underdiagnosis in Hispanic communities as well.

That explains all the Morrissey fans.

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Fuck all you betas for walking on eggshells because Chus got his feelings hurt. The guy is a hypocritical asshole who goes on tilt every time someone brings up what a burrito he is for doxxing someone. If you know it was a shitty thing to do, don't get so defensive whenever it gets brought up, Just take it.

Fuck your beta victim bullshit too about someone talking about your kid. So someone invites you over and you say, "Sure, but i got my fucking kid with me, can he come?". They let you, then you show up, smoke some weed and let him do whatever he wants. Just because he has autism means he doesn't have to behave and you can't keep an eye on him? Sounds like a built in excuse for you to say, "Eh, that's how is, so difficult." Stay home and be a shitty parent.

And fuck your weak ass high school insults. "He is ugly and can't get chicks and is a pussy." Nice work mean jerk guy from every teen movie. Grow up.


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As an aside the rural communities don't do a great job of diagnosis or treatment. Don't have the facilities. The horror stories I've heard from friends with autistic children are striking. Now time has passed but I doubt attitudes gave changed. We've had to do quit a bit with my bits, one for speach and one for sensory issues but we were able to do it, and continue to do it privately by traveling.

Race, class, gender, region, parents' level of education, trying to understand what (a certain disorder) is, etc.--it all goes into the hopper.

Now those are some equations.

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Fuck all you betas


This reminds me of the best line from Night of the Creeps:

"So what makes you think you're Beta material?"

Look at this jag!! One of the most punchable faces of all time. Overdone, but brilliant nevertheless.

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Fuck all you betas for walking on eggshells because Chus got his feelings hurt. The guy is a hypocritical asshole who goes on tilt every time someone brings up what a burrito he is for doxxing someone. If you know it was a shitty thing to do, don't get so defensive whenever it gets brought up, Just take it.

Fuck your beta victim bullshit too about someone talking about your kid. So someone invites you over and you say, "Sure, but i got my fucking kid with me, can he come?". They let you, then you show up, smoke some weed and let him do whatever he wants. Just because he has autism means he doesn't have to behave and you can't keep an eye on him? Sounds like a built in excuse for you to say, "Eh, that's how is, so difficult." Stay home and be a shitty parent.

And fuck your weak ass high school insults. "He is ugly and can't get chicks and is a pussy." Nice work mean jerk guy from every teen movie. Grow up.


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Fuck all you betas for walking on eggshells because Chus got his feelings hurt. The guy is a hypocritical asshole who goes on tilt every time someone brings up what a burrito he is for doxxing someone. If you know it was a shitty thing to do, don't get so defensive whenever it gets brought up, Just take it.

Fuck your beta victim bullshit too about someone talking about your kid. So someone invites you over and you say, "Sure, but i got my fucking kid with me, can he come?". They let you, then you show up, smoke some weed and let him do whatever he wants. Just because he has autism means he doesn't have to behave and you can't keep an eye on him? Sounds like a built in excuse for you to say, "Eh, that's how is, so difficult." Stay home and be a shitty parent.

And fuck your weak ass high school insults. "He is ugly and can't get chicks and is a pussy." Nice work mean jerk guy from every teen movie. Grow up.


:lol:

My money is on JLN.


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Huge underdiagnosis in Hispanic communities as well.

That explains all the Morrissey fans.

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This reminds me of the best line from Night of the Creeps:

"So what makes you think you're Beta material?"



dude, "night of the creeps" is my jam. it is really annoying that it's hard to find. some of tom atkins' best work.

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This reminds me of the best line from Night of the Creeps:

"So what makes you think you're Beta material?"


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