For some of our younger board family members around here it wasn't an issue until corporate effeciencies and m&a theives got their hands on it by the prodding of the donor class hell bent on buying their 4th Mercedes.

As a disabled person what's going on now in the name of health care reform is deeply saddening. And the self described saviors have sent a doddering old fool from Wyoming to play 4 corners basketball to provide the rest of the cowardly republicans cover

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

How does this affect you? I know that you are still getting stronger but my understanding is this won't change anything (Senate Bill) and that republicans are unlikely to agree on a deal in conference

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

No longer getting stronger and the stress about that further compounds my status. As it seems that I'll be losing my current insurance, a clear pre existing condition or two pretty much prevents a reasonable economic alternative.

I'm pretty much fucked.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

More than 1 in 3 Americans are obese, about 1/5th of whom are morbidly obese. The shitty eating habits, high rates of addiction to amphetamines and heroin and persistent 15% of the population that smokes (heavily) make "compassionate" healthcare reform stupid. The burden of paying for the fat and sickly to die their slow, expensive deaths should not fall on the healthy.

I say this as a former smoker and someone who probably got a little closer to obesity than I'd like to admit.

And it's been proven that party politics run deeper than voting for the American people, so who knows what could follow

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Shut the fuck up, libfag

It's unfortunate to hear that. You gotta keep the faith my brother.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

To be expected from that quarter. Never had the stones to go full asshole until I admit a disability.

Coward

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I guess we need to keep sharing stories like yours . . . hang in there.

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Then I also shouldn't be paying a shitload of property taxes that go to our public schools when I don't have any kids in their system!

Why do I have to pay for the police and fire services and pensions when I've never used them?

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Why stop there! I don't use 99% of the roads in my town, library, or the park district. Libertarianism, here I come!

This touches on the entire issue. We shouldn't be treating healthcare and education like products. Ben Shapiro actually compared healthcare to buying furniture. His belief being that if he has more money than you he should be able to purchase better healthcare. Of course he took heat from liberals for saying that, but I didn't take it as being as vicious as it sounded. He's just a guy who feels an almost religious devotion to "The Market". In the case of these basic human things the market shouldn't be a factor.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Wealthy people will always have things better than poor people. It's not just healthcare, it's every aspect of life.

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We don't really have to accept that paradigm though.

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Freedom is our Strength.

This is true. Give everyone basic health care X and there will be some that resent the rich that have health care Y.

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Elections have consequences.

I don't know exactly what he said but in terms of people being able to buy better healthcare of course they should be able to. It has nothing to do with the "market" either. There are a lot of elective medical procedures that shouldn't be covered for free.

Now, if he was trying to say things like emergency care should be better for the rich then that is a different discussion. I doubt he is as it seems to be pretty universal that if you have a heart attack that you should be treated regardless of ability to pay.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Really? So the quality of one's healthcare should be dependent on his personal wealth? Why do you believe that?

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Freedom is our Strength.

I see where this is headed with you an Rick so I will just get in here and get out.

Regardless of the system if you think you are ever going to sit in the same doctor waiting room as Bezos you are wrong.

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Elections have consequences.

Should I be able to get LASIK and elective plastic surgery with the basic level of healthcare? What if I want a doctor to come to my house once a month to check me out? What if I want a Viagra every day?

That's why the furniture analogy is pretty good. I believe everyone should be able to afford furniture and/or have the government provide the means for them to afford furniture. People more well off may be able to purchase better furniture that provides more things but both people still end up with acceptable furniture.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sitting in the same waiting room is a red herring. In actuality, I'm sure that MANY people share the same Dr. that Bezos has.

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Are we talking about what you get through work or through the exchange?

Either one is fine in this discussion. It's the idea that everyone, regardless of how well off they are, should have the EXACT same healthcare.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Thoughts and prayers to your wife.

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Freedom is our Strength.

There should be an affordable baseline of what everyone has. Not some $20k deductible which people can not afford, and be able to upgrade from there. IMO

Every aspect of life is a little strong

So shouldn't everyone also drive the same car?

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That would be another good example. I just want to point out that I'm not on the side of saying that every person should have the exact same healthcare.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Especially because it's a rhetorical fallacy.

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Why don't they ever upset the apple cart that is the insurance, medical, pharmaceutical and legal professions when they mess with this system?

Why not do away with health insurance altogether and use price fixing for "basic" healthcare needs? Why don't they just tell docs they get $75 a visit no matter what is wrong and medicaid for the rest? Why not stop the drug money train and severely change the lawsuit influence on the game? Why do we accept that us dopes here talking about the same old bad ideas for healthcare is the only way?

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Elections have consequences.

Pander to the lobby, fuck with the constituents.

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