Trump is going next to Lincoln.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I don't feel I'm entitled to everything I want just because I was born a human.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Now we're back to discussing healthcare and education as if they're Porsches and 72" big screen TVs.

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Freedom is our Strength.

I never stopped. You didn't reply though so I thought you were done.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Well, for one thing, we have a right to life and you need food to live. Denying necessary medical care, another thing we need to live, out of a misplaced devotion to commerce sounds a lot like an overbearing government that I should like to be protected against.

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Something not being a "right" doesn't mean that it is being denied though.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The difference in providing food, education, etc. and healthcare is that healthcare is open ended with potentially unlimited costs. The first thing that needs to be decided is how much healthcare is a right (if any) and how much is practical without bankrupting the system. People recoil when they hear the terms 'death panel' or 'rationing', but those concepts are absolutely essential if there is to be a viable system that covers everyone. I'm sorry if someone has cancer and the treatment will cost millions...it may be cruel to say, but that person should have no expectation on society keeping them alive when that money could be used so much more effectively on other healthcare treatments spread across hundreds or thousands of people.

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If done right, healthcare should only be 3-4 times more(monthly) cost than auto insurance. By done right I mean the doctors still get paid a premium, but the risk pool is balanced and insurance providers and big pharma isn't making these insane profits.

I bought an SUV worth 40K last year. I pay only $70 a month in terms of insurance. That seems like a goods deal(vs healthcare at least) considering the odds that I get in an accident and the vehicle is a total loss. I'm 36, what are the odds I get a medical condition that requires hospitalization and a bill of over 40K? They can't be much more than me getting in an accident that requires the car to be totaled.

I think there needs to be a multi pronged approach here with both parties accepting responsibility.

People need access to affordable healthcare, but they also have to do their part, budget, and pay into the the plan to spread the risk.

People also need to be smarter about how they plan for their non-emergency costs(as Mike was alluding to).

The high risk scenarios should be managed by a non-profit pool

As a retired Fed, I'm good to go on Health Care.
BUT...
As a descendant of English people I want reparations for slavery. Willing to negotiate but would settle now for $600K, tax free.
Clearly that's cheap. I'm old so please hurry it up.

The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... erica.html


"can you help me"--Jimmy Reardon
"yes"--American people


#noJusticeNoPeace

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Obama's Legacy is Trump.
And dead cops.

"One guy lays the pipe, the other guy smokes it"--Clint Eastwood

Everyone would do this under single-payer, it's not as if healthcare would suddenly become free-free.

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Foe list

It's why single-payer is the only real solution....eventually the traditional "fiscal conservatives" will understand that. It's not about free healthcare, it's about the people that work in financial markets(pretty much the most evil people on the face of the earth) getting their hands on money they don't deserve.

I mean, the dude that is removing the tumor from your brain, you don't want him to be nickle and dimed right? Nickle and dime the middle man(blue cross blue shield) or eliminate them from the transaction altogether.

This is partly true, but don't be fooled...the real winners in the current system are the healthcare providers and big pharma.

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Single payer means it would be free-free.

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No it's not. The best healthcare systems in the world are not single payer.

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in theory you are correct, but we have to look at how our government operates. There is no way the Federal Government could run a single payer system. They should be able to, but they would make it "a disaster".

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Yeah, if the federal government paid our medical bills we might have things like decreasing life expectancy or high rates of infant mortality.

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Those unfortunate trends are due to lifestyle choices, not the failures of the healthcare system.

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How many "lifestyle choices" are choices?

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I get what you're saying, but some of these choices may not quite be choices due to lack of funds, poor education, mental illness, etc.

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If we limit to obesity and drug use, I would say both are choices.

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It seems that way, but obesity is often caused by economic hardship. Drug abuse? I do not know what the causes of this are. Not sure about that one at all.

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obesity really does seem to be a byproduct of being poor. Food deserts are very real.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

and poor planning, and the lack of ability to plan, and not knowing that there are better choices, etc. it's complex. anyway, that's a good way to put it (a byproduct of being poor). or working-class, living check to check.

(which reminds me of Czech which reminds me of Hungary. That country has the hottest chicks.)

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I'm open to theories (e.g., poor people overconsume calorie-dense junk food) but in general that would seem counterintuitive. Basically it would mean that economic hardship could be pointed to as both the cause of hunger and overeating/underexercising. Not to mention many of us are doing fine economically and still borderline obese.

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Welcome to the world of contradictions, eh? It's fucked up, I know. But there is a real connection between economic hardship (and mental health) and obesity.

There's also another connection for middle-class people due to all of our sitting, driving, larger portions, etc. Plus, the types of processed food we eat, all the sugar, etc.

Various and seemingly contradictory reasons. I love looking at photos or films or tv shows from the 60s and 70s. Virtually everyone is thin. Effortlessly thin. The funniest ad I have ever seen came from a 1970 (I think) National Geographic. It was an ad for sugar. It said, basically, "Look, how many fat kids do you really see running around?" Wish I could find that ad again.

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The thing is, Coke is the same 140 calories it was back then. Twinkies and Oreos were popular. You are right about our sedentary lifestyles though.

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America is on a fast track to becoming middle ground status economically


We have been hanging on to the top because we spend a third of our profits on military. We are bullies. But we don't spend it on education or even keeping people healthy, which eventually will hurt our revenue.

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