Yep. You should continue to stay out of this thread.

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In 71% of his career starts with the White Sox, Quintana gave up 3 runs or fewer. Sale gave up 3 or fewer in 74% of his starts with the team.

Sale got a Win in those starts at a rate of 60%. Quintana got a win in those games 50% of the time.

Sale got a win in 65% of the starts during which he gave up 2 or fewer runs. Quintana got a win when giving up the same 50% of the time.

In starts where he gave up 1 or fewer runs, Chris Sale got a win 70% of the time.

In starts where he gave up 1 or fewer runs, Jose Quintana got a win 53% of the time.

That is the Jose Quintana Experience.

50% and 53%. So, mediocre at best.

Thanks for agreeing with me

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Agreed. He's just not reliable in close games.

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What is the only difference there can be between the conversion rates of Sale and Quintana? It MUST be run support.

Would you agree that when a pitcher gives up 1 or fewer runs in a start, they should "win" at a clip well above 50-50?

What should Quintana have done differently in those games where he was giving up 1 or fewer runs? What did Sale do differently?

A guy who only won only 53% of his games when he gave up one or fewer runs didn't suffer from a lack of run support.

Sure thing.

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In 2017, the MLB converted starts where a starter gave up 1 or fewer runs into wins for that pitcher at a rate of 64%.

EDIT: The 64% conversion rate is true from 2012-2017 across the entire MLB.

On the same bad team, Sale got a win SEVENTY percent of the time.

So, might the pitcher be part of the problem?

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Sale got more run support. This has been proven to you over and over again.

We've gone over this before and seem to all agree.

Quintana is an okay #3. He isn't an ace.

Everything else is just semantics and noise.

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First, Sale is one of the top three pitchers in all of Major League Baseball. That's not a great comparison in any context.

Second, in starts where he gave up zero runs, there is literally nothing he could have done better. And in the wins where he gave up one, we'll just agree to disagree. If my SP could consistently give up one run per outing, I'd win probably 80% of those games. JLN might have the actual number.

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Really? I don't remember ever having this conversation.

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Nope.


So which is it? Did Sale get more runs, or does 1=1?

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Board Ole Troll Rod really needs a new trolling angle.

Sale got more runs, because that is what is required for him to get a win.

So he's not a solid number 2 or an ace because he only won half of his games where he only got 1 or 2 runs of support?


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Q doesn't have the stuff to be considered a top-of-the-rotation starter. He'll start game 3 of the playoffs and it will be a pick 'em to win.

Thats not very good odds for a guy whose statistics tell me is a top 10 or 15 pitcher in the game. Id like more than a pick'em from that.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

He did have the numbers. Sale won 70% of those games, Q won 53%. But it's ALL run support!

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He's not a number 2 or an ace because he doesn't win significantly more than he loses.

He can have all the great peripheral stats in the world but at the end of the day, he'll disappoint more than not.

He's Javy Vazquez.

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There isn't a team that would make the playoffs that is worried about Q shutting them down. The lengths statheads go to tell you Q is something he is not is comical.

Yup. Im betting the school of thought on him is just stay close, he'll give it up at some point.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Do you not see the diffefence in their conversion rates being run support? What is the difference maker there, if not disparate levels of run support?

Yep, he nibbles so much that it leads to a high pitch count.

3 games into his Cubs run and Im happy so far. Truth is I was just reading about the game yesterday on my phone as they don't have Comcast sports net in Jamaica.

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