I think you misheard the prosecution when they asked if you had seen someone rob Roy.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
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A valid question/concern, but I also ask what right government has to take me away form my work without compensation? In my particular case I'm self-employed as an e-commerce marketing contractor. If I'm not working, I don't get paid. Starting to see why I have a major issue with the concept?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Maybe.. answer would be the same. As it would be if they asked me if I had ever drank a rob Roy.

It's a civic duty. Other countries require years of military service. I think we can handle being on a jury once every 20 years.

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I've been called several times and was on a jury once. The trial lasted a few days. I actually really enjoyed it and thought it was extremely interesting. It provides a unique perspective regarding the law and how cases are tried. That perspective helps in today's world where news breaks on Twitter and people are innocent/guilty in a matter of seconds based purely on initial "journalist" reporting.

I want jury duty, I think it would be interesting. I've never been sent a notice though.

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Only called twice, first time was the summer I spent working in Alaska, and they were unwilling to fund my trip back for duty. Last time was a year ago, or so, VERY interesting. Assault/battery case. Six jurors, we took an initial vote 3 to 3. Spent a couple of hours discussing the incident, her side of the story, and the law. Ended up not guilty. I was foreman, and felt not guilty all along, was real surprised by what some of the other jurors heard from testimony compared to what I heard. Most of a day, but well worth it in my experience.

Cook county? Just call and tell them you are traveling.

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Calling me to jury duty would be a waste of everyone's time. Would I honestly be placed upon one when I believe most police officers are dishonest, armed tax collectors? No way in hell would I ever be sat on one if I'm not going to take police testimony as truth.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Currently involved in a game of chicken in that they keep sending me notices and I keep not showing up. I think I'm up to notice #3 or #4, not sure.

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Better come up with a better line than that if you get sent to civil court.

Pretty easy, just substitute police for insurance companies and go off on a rant.

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My views on cops are more my real views (as I think my posting would demonstrate).

In civil court I could easily rant on the need for tort reform and get dismissed. (which is also true to my views)

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

7/31/17 @ 1:32 pm: The exact moment I realized my message board hero isn't infallible after all and is capable of having asinine opinions just like every one else. SAD.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I would never claim to be perfect. Also, I should not be anyone's message board hero.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

twice for me. the first one we had to be interviewed, broke for lunch, and it was settled.
the second was a drive-by murder case. that was fun...

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@audioidkid

That's wrong of you though. You are making the situation worse with an attitude like that.

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it's the truth, I have no respect for law enforcement in this country as they are nothing more than armed tax collectors/thieves serving the purposes of worthless local politicians who are too cowardly to raise taxes. I have a hard time even believing there are good cops left as the good cops end up staying silent as the rest of the department tramples upon our rights. At best they are complicit in the game.

It's an honest statement for me to declare that I do not trust the testimony of police officers. I think they are scum who do anything but "protect and serve."

If you doubt me, just watch how quickly they close ranks when it is clear as day that one of them fucked up and a good citizen is dead, wrongly incarcerated, or seriously maimed as a result.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

You can believe whatever you want.

If you would ignore your civic duty and not act as you are expected on a jury then you are just as big of a problem as the cops you hate.

You have a responsibility to your fellow Americans to give everyone who deserves it a fair trial. I'm sure there are plenty of people who say the same things about other groups of people too and feel justified also. It doesn't make it right and it isn't something you should be happy about doing.

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How can one sit on a jury where the prosecutions case is dependent upon police testimony if I don't believe the cop? It's an honest statement and I think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to police brutality and corruption. Just imagine all that goes on which isn't picked up by cameras, especially since the scumbags are resisting the use of body cams at every turn and don't have them on most of the time when they are being worn.

If those cops were really honest servants, they would want those cameras running every second they are severing as it would back up their story. No surprise, they don't want to be filmed because they know their crookedness will be shown for all to see.

Once again, just wait for the next Philando Castile and watch how quickly they close ranks around the murderer.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

The problem is that you are saying "All Cops". Even if only one cop is a good person who is truthful you are not being fair if they happened to be the one who was involved. No American should go into a trial with a preconceived notion about any group and that includes police.

As I said, imagine if you were saying this about a minority group. Would you be any different than a profiling cop?

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A minority is someone born into a race or ethnicity.

A cop is someone who willingly signed up for a job. That is a false equivilency.

If there are good cops,then I'm waiting for them to stand up and speak out against the abuses they, their colleagues, and their unions are pushing for. Cops need to denounce no-knock raids for low level drug offenses, civil asset forfeiture, writing citations for purpose of generating revenue politicians can't otherwise ask for, the abuse of the 4th Amendment, the improper use of force, etc. Cops aren't speaking up against this. By and large, they and their criminal organization (FOP) are pushing for more of this. If cops want to take a stand against these measures, then I will change my view on the profession.

As it stands they are an increasingly militant group that is becoming adversarial with the populace they are supposed to protect and serve.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Brick living in a fantasyland where people put their prejudices/bias aside when they get selected for a jury.

No one is asked to put their beliefs/bias/prejudices aside when they are called for jury selection, they are only asked if they are capable of giving a person a fair trial despite those prejudices. If the answer to that question is no, that person is not doing the jury system a disservice. They are being honest about their own limitations when it comes to serving.

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To be fair, there are good cops who fit this description. It's not as if it's 100% of them.

But the cheering by a large crowd of cops for Trump's latest comments was yet another sign that it's also not a few bad apples either. There's clearly institutional problems there.

I agree that it's a false equivalency comparing race to job choice.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Huh? You first part seems to say I am wrong. Your second part seems to say I am right.

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No it isn't. The second part is saying if Ogie honestly can't serve impartially and is honest about it he's good. You're saying he has a civic duty to serve impartially.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

There are a few good cops, but it seems as an institution, most cops support these abuses. Frequent statements from the FOP and other police groups would back this assertion up. Just look at how they idolize the likes of Sheriff David Clarke in Milwaukee. He represents everything wrong with policing in this country and he's a hero to most cops.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I'm aware he can make that choice. I'm saying it is wrong to do so and it makes him no different than a profiling cop.

The system works because people are willing to serve and serve as best they can without bias. Ogie seems quite proud of the fact that he wouldn't even try and do this.

I never said he should be jailed for what he is doing. I just said he is failing as a citizen to give his fellow Americans the best chance at a fair trial.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If I were to be questioned as part of jury selection and said anything other than what I have typed in this thread, I would be perjuring myself.

Perhaps policing in this country will change for the better and my views will follow, but as it stands today, I have no respect for the profession or those who wear the badge.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Well, luckily others are willing to attempt to set aside their biases in order to give someone a fair trial. I don't know why you feel so proud that you aren't willing to do so.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!